SpinalHDL VS bsc

I'd love to see textual preprocessors kinda banned. Or at least done upstream and outside of the language. You can't both be and also have a textual preprocessor defined internally. It doesn't work.

I really like what Zig and C++ are doing with `const`.

https://ikrima.dev/dev-notes/zig/zig-metaprogramming/

Have you looked at Spinal?

https://github.com/SpinalHDL/SpinalHDL

https://spinalhdl.github.io/SpinalDoc-RTD/master/index.html

Many companies do just write entire modern SoCs in straight Verilog (maybe with some autogenerated Verilog hacked in there) with no other major organization tools aside from the typical project management stuff. The load-store unit of a modern CPU alone easily exceeds 10k lines of Verilog. It's a similar thing as people who work with kernels—after all, the page table management code in a modern operating system like Linux is absolutely monstrous but still people are able to understand it well enough to be able to make the changes they need and get out.

If you are interested in other languages which hope to make this sort of stuff easier, I'd recommend taking a look at design productivity languages like Chisel and it's associated Chipyard [1], SpinalHDL [2], and Bluespec [3]. Each of these are meant to make defining extremely complex hardware more manageable for humans and there's a lot of interesting work going on right now with each of them.

[1] https://github.com/ucb-bar/chipyard

[2] https://github.com/SpinalHDL/SpinalHDL

[3] https://github.com/B-Lang-org/bsc

I have just found that SpinalHDL also implemented two halves of the fully registered buffer in Stream.scala.

Don’t forget SpinalHDL that was forked off of Chisel 2 I believe. These DSLs really leveraged the software features of Scala to help build generalised/modular systems. And are generally a quality of life improvement in the language features available.

A lot of reuse from other FOSH projects, including Litex, SpinalHDL, betrusted & u/alexforencich verilog-wishbone. Thanks to all of them :-)

You could try to implement a PCIe root complex for FOSS SoCs, connecting to e.g. Wishbone as the main bus. There's already some DDR3 controller (or this one) and USB Host controller out there, and even device-side PCIe, but no FOSS host-side PCIe that I know of. Probably quite a difficult job though, even sticking to the lower-speed PCIe 1.

Many companies do just write entire modern SoCs in straight Verilog (maybe with some autogenerated Verilog hacked in there) with no other major organization tools aside from the typical project management stuff. The load-store unit of a modern CPU alone easily exceeds 10k lines of Verilog. It's a similar thing as people who work with kernels—after all, the page table management code in a modern operating system like Linux is absolutely monstrous but still people are able to understand it well enough to be able to make the changes they need and get out.

If you are interested in other languages which hope to make this sort of stuff easier, I'd recommend taking a look at design productivity languages like Chisel and it's associated Chipyard [1], SpinalHDL [2], and Bluespec [3]. Each of these are meant to make defining extremely complex hardware more manageable for humans and there's a lot of interesting work going on right now with each of them.

[1] https://github.com/ucb-bar/chipyard

[2] https://github.com/SpinalHDL/SpinalHDL

[3] https://github.com/B-Lang-org/bsc

What are your thoughts on other HDLs like Chisel or BlueSpec when it comes to better type checking?

In a previous project we used Haskell that compiled down to Verilog to design hardware. Think along the lines of BlueSpec or Clash. Haskell would force you to spell out the new state as a function of the old state of the system. This would let us do gate-level simulations of the hardware we designed. Coupled with Haskell's penchant for using primes to mean "the new value of", stuff like x' = f x was very common.

You should look at Bluespec, they are doing some interesting stuff.

And I've been involved in a project that's making heavy use of Bluespec: https://github.com/B-Lang-org/bsc/

Same problem though - you have to transpile it down to Verilog to use it in anything beyond a simulation.

FPGA Thread: Bluespec SystemVerilog is now completely open source, very nice HDL although quite opinionated.

https://github.com/B-Lang-org/bsc

it's Haskell underneath (https://xkcd.com/356/)