programming-for-kids VS love

I can tell you as a dad, it frightens me that the future is coming so fast I cant even see 1 year ahead.

I teach my daughter things from small circuits to assembler, c, python, sql but also basic prompt engineering, how next word predictors work, how surveillance works or how privacy is infringed, how do we pay for the "free" apps, or how to make an idea into something real, also things about how to type fast (at the moment she types with 80wpm) and how to not be afraid of computers and how to just play with them.

Of course, it might turn out that I have wasted her time, but we spend time together, and during this time I also teach her how to learn things.

Honestly I am not sure "what" you are teaching is that important, If I knew how to bake, I would teach her the deep mastery of baking with all my heart.

PS: you can check my teaching progress log here https://github.com/jackdoe/programming-for-kids/blob/master/...

https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=pico8+tutorial

Another option is to make a Roblox game, their studio is very accessible and the scripting is quite straight forward (e.g. if you step on this object it moves)

I have spent 2 years teaching my daughter and I thought python and pygame are nice, but we made lots of other games, and lots of turtle based generative art (you can also get some basic game ideas from there, like snake or tictactore or whereiswaldo):

https://github.com/jackdoe/programming-for-kids/blob/master/...

I think the curve of excitement is quite steep at start, and then it gets super boring, so if you can reduce the scope as much as possible, and manage to get to some playable state its amazing, if you use godot or some other engine you can make the game playable on web so he can share it with his friends its really nice.

That looks seriously cool. Just the colors give me goosebumps :)

completely offtopic:

My dream is to build a super cheap child friendly computer, that the kids can build themselves, has a software keyboard that directly polls the gpio pins so that kids can modify their keyboard instead of having a keyboard controller (just so there is less mistery in what happens when a key is pressed). And the OS is something inspired from LEAP: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o_TlE_U_X3c that allowing you to evaluate code and apply it to your current file. A bit like your LOAD81 but with text.

I have a prototype now: https://github.com/jackdoe/programming-for-kids/blob/master/... but it has a long way to go.

I think programming is literacy. People who can code can see through the fabric of our world in the same way as people that can read can see different worlds.

Teaching programming is so incredibly difficult, I am trying to teach my daughter, 343 days so far (12 yo, log here: https://github.com/jackdoe/programming-for-kids/blob/master/...) and I am not sure it is a tooling problem at all. The problem seems to be to be able to understand what the student does not understand. And to be able to keep their focus.

I also use a lot of incentives (custom tshirts, vbucks, displate posters etc) to compete with the million developers in snap/facebook/tiktok/epic/etc that are trying to steal and sell every bit of her attention.

I constantly try different methods, we even made programming card games together (like https://punkjazz.org/programming-time/), or downloading music or generating music, writing games with python/lua/c, making autoclickers or bots, pranks, hacking things (e.g. explaining and using the whatsapp url parse bug recently was very fun), playing war games etc, but every day I have to spend a lot of time thinking about what is the "right" next lesson, what does she need to learn to level up.

Learning programming is not a curve at all, it is a staircase and stairs are like walls for some people. It might take 10 years to get to the next level. You can have people programming whole complex programs without having any idea what is going on.

That being said, the future of programming pedagogy and andragogy is very open, and I am very happy for every attempt to try to make a dent in it.

i code for 25 years, i am teaching my daughter (12) now, you can see her progress at https://github.com/jackdoe/programming-for-kids/blob/master/book.md , so i have some experience teaching

My daughter(12) started using ChatGPT recently for homework stuff, but she also asked it some personal things about a friendship situation with her best friend, which made me think about how dangerous it is to take a friendship advice from a llm.

I thought its important to explain what it is and how it works, so I made our lesson yesterday be about ChatGPT (we spend every day doing a bit of coding and I log it in this repository):

https://github.com/jackdoe/programming-for-kids/blob/master/...

Today before school I asked her to reflect on what ChatGPT is, and she had a pretty good mental model from yesterday's lesson, so at least she doesnt think it has empathy or is telling the 'truth'.

I managed to change 'ChatGPT is giving an answer to a question' to 'its just guessing the next word, but it understands deeply how words are connected'.

We did a lot of exercises where I asked her to think what would the next word be given a sequences of words just by thinking about their probabilities, like: 'Your name is ChatGPT. What is your' and the next word is going to be probably 'name' and then '?' and then 'My'

How do you explain it to your kids? Do you worry about them using it?

Since OpenAI makes it super easy to login with gmail (and her gmail is a kid account), I didn't even know she had a user there until she told me, but I think most kids in her class use it without their parents knowing.

you can also just go for python with pygame zero (this is the approach i took with my daughter when she was 9, i logged the progress here: https://github.com/jackdoe/programming-for-kids/blob/master/book.md )

Hi

I am teaching my daughter how to code, and now I am running various pranks on her computer. For example, every time you alt+tab there is a weird beep sound, or the computer randomly restarts every 10 minutes, or after 10 minutes in Minecraft the keyboard presses 'W' for 3 seconds, or I move her mouse remotely and etc... (some are extremely evil, like stopping half the internet 128.0.0.0/1 or 0.0.0.0/1 every 10 minutes for 3 seconds)

I made a whole deck of cards (each prank fits on one playing card): https://github.com/jackdoe/programming-for-kids/blob/master/projects/panic/cards-small.pdf

I sell the decks for 5€ (e.g.: https://punkx.org/c-pointer-game/ or https://punkx.org/punk0/) but for this one, I am not even sure what kind of lawyer should I talk to, to make sure I am not liable if a user of the deck damages someone's computer. I also aded epilepsy warning on the cards that are very visual (like randomly rotating the screen 90 degrees).

The deck is also licensed CC BY 4.0, so anyone can re-print it, and are the people printing it and sharing it liable as well? The warning I have now is made by me and you can see it on the first card, but I will also paste it here:

    WARNING! WARING! WARNING!

i am teaching my daughter since she was 10 and i am logging each day in a book https://github.com/jackdoe/programming-for-kids/blob/master/book.md so far she is making great progress, you might get some ideas from it

I've built a few games with my son over the years. The fun part for us was all about fast iteration, and then laughing at the bugs together.

There are some other recommendations here for how to approach 3d, and he is specifically asking for 3d -- but I want to put in one more pitch for 2d: the fun-to-tedium ratio can be much higher.

I wonder if you could spend some time prototyping some of his ideas in LÖVE https://love2d.org/ -- if you show him the smallest sketch of something working, he might have an idea about what to add next.

Many years ago, on a flight, we went from 0 to game before we landed (with no experience).

* When a cell is born it randomly takes on the color of one of its (3) parents.

To try it out:

1. Install LÖVE for your device from https://love2d.org (~5MB and open source). (iOS requires building from source on a Mac, or installing the third-party Love2D Studio: https://love2d-studio.marknoteapp.com)

2. Install my Lua Carousel from https://akkartik.itch.io/carousel (~100KB). It includes all its source code and can be edited live on a computer as it runs.

3. Copy the ~100 lines of code from the bottom of https://akkartik.itch.io/carousel/devlog/651711/new-version-after-9-days and paste them into Lua Carousel.

Probably the most important piece of software we'll be playing around with is a game engine called LÖVE. Lua is well known around developer circles as being a good scripting language when it comes to making games, and this engine is one of the more popular. I'll be going through installation at the end of this post.

I got it – these are the steps I took:

1. Download Love from https://love2d.org/

libGDX is great, but I can understand if it's not for some people. This also applies to love2d, raylib and Monogame

You don't need to use git if you don't want to. Try downloading the 0.10.2 source directly here (the file you want is love-0.10.2-linux-src.tar.gz); I see you've tried this already but try again just to see what happens. Extract it to a directory (e.g. love-0.10.2-linux-src) and then run:

Love2d (MIT/C++/Lua) https://github.com/love2d/love

- Löve (doesn't have a separate page, but showcases a few games at the bottom of the page): https://love2d.org

The game, Wasp Escape, was built using the open-source Löve 2D game library for Lua.

love2d (lua) is a productive, fun, good docs, and most importantly proven / field-tested 2d game library, with easy to learn fast to compile and fast to run language - lua. while lua might not have a lot of features as python, the big bonus is that its much more focused language, which is important because otherwise you can get easily distracted on bells and whistles that other programming languages provide, i know that from experience