LWJGL VS bevy

Download the latest LWJGL binaries from the official website.

(The LWJGL binding of OpenAL. For more information, see http://www.lwjgl.org)

229 recipes 27 achievements 2023-11-15 18:45:08 [CLIENT] [INFO] Setting user: aleislost (Session ID is token:0:) 2023-11-15 18:45:08 [CLIENT] [INFO] LWJGL Version: 2.9.4 Starting up SoundSystem... Initializing LWJGL OpenAL (The LWJGL binding of OpenAL. For more information, see http://www.lwjgl.org) OpenAL initialized. # # A fatal error has been detected by the Java Runtime Environment: # # EXCEPTION_ACCESS_VIOLATION (0xc0000005) at pc=0x00007ffd49392ee7, pid=5988, tid=0x0000000000002188 # # JRE version: OpenJDK Runtime Environment (8.0_392-b08) (build 1.8.0_392-b08) # Java VM: OpenJDK 64-Bit Server VM (25.392-b08 mixed mode windows-amd64 compressed oops) # Problematic frame: # C [ig7icd64.dll+0x22ee7] # # Failed to write core dump. Minidumps are not enabled by default on client versions of Windows # # An error report file with more information is saved as: # C:\Users\Ale\AppData\Roaming\PollyMC\instances\1.5.2\.minecraft\hs_err_pid5988.log # # If you would like to submit a bug report, please visit: # https://github.com/adoptium/adoptium-support/issues # The crash happened outside the Java Virtual Machine in native code. # See problematic frame for where to report the bug. # AL lib: (EE) alc_cleanup: 1 device not closed Process exited with code 1.

Both libGDX and JMonkey engine make use of LWJGL.

[17:23:20] [Client thread/WARN]: EventBus 0 shutting down - future events will not be posted. [17:23:20] [Client thread/INFO]: Reloading ResourceManager: Default, FMLFileResourcePack:Forge Mod Loader, FMLFileResourcePack:Minecraft Forge, FMLFileResourcePack:YUNG's Better Mineshafts, FMLFileResourcePack:Biomes O' Plenty, FMLFileResourcePack:Bountiful, FMLFileResourcePack:Mowzie's Mobs, FMLFileResourcePack:Quark, FMLFileResourcePack:Spiders 2.0, FMLFileResourcePack:Tetra, FMLFileResourcePack:The Twilight Forest, FMLFileResourcePack:Xaero's World Map [17:23:20] [Client thread/INFO]: Transforming net.minecraft.client.renderer.RenderItem [17:23:20] [Client thread/INFO]: Applying Transformation to method (Names [renderItem, func_180454_a] Descriptor (Lnet/minecraft/item/ItemStack;Lnet/minecraft/client/renderer/block/model/IBakedModel;)V) [17:23:20] [Client thread/INFO]: Located Method, patching... [17:23:20] [Client thread/INFO]: Patch result: true [17:23:20] [Client thread/INFO]: Applying Transformation to method (Names [renderEffect, func_191966_a] Descriptor (Lnet/minecraft/client/renderer/block/model/IBakedModel;)V) [17:23:20] [Client thread/INFO]: Located Method, patching... [17:23:20] [Client thread/INFO]: Located patch target node LDC -8372020 [17:23:20] [Client thread/INFO]: Located patch target node LDC -8372020 [17:23:20] [Client thread/INFO]: Patch result: true [17:23:20] [Client thread/INFO]: Transforming net.minecraft.client.renderer.EntityRenderer [17:23:20] [Client thread/INFO]: Applying Transformation to method (Names [renderWorldPass, func_175068_a] Descriptor (IFJ)V) [17:23:20] [Client thread/INFO]: Located Method, patching... [17:23:20] [Client thread/INFO]: Located patch target node INVOKESPECIAL net/minecraft/client/renderer/EntityRenderer.func_78479_a (FI)V [17:23:20] [Client thread/INFO]: Patch result: true [17:23:20] [Client thread/WARN]: There were errors previously. Not beginning mod initialization phase [17:23:21] [Sound Library Loader/INFO]: Starting up SoundSystem... [17:23:21] [Thread-2/INFO]: Initializing LWJGL OpenAL [17:23:21] [Thread-2/INFO]: (The LWJGL binding of OpenAL. For more information, see http://www.lwjgl.org) [17:23:21] [Thread-2/INFO]: OpenAL initialized. [17:23:21] [Client thread/INFO]: Transforming net.minecraft.client.renderer.entity.RenderManager [17:23:21] [Client thread/INFO]: Applying Transformation to method (Names [renderEntity, func_188391_a] Descriptor (Lnet/minecraft/entity/Entity;DDDFFZ)V) [17:23:21] [Client thread/INFO]: Located Method, patching... [17:23:21] [Client thread/INFO]: Located patch target node INVOKEVIRTUAL net/minecraft/client/renderer/entity/Render.func_76986_a (Lnet/minecraft/entity/Entity;DDDFF)V [17:23:21] [Client thread/INFO]: Patch result: true [17:23:21] [Client thread/INFO]: Transforming net.minecraft.client.renderer.entity.Render [17:23:21] [Client thread/INFO]: Applying Transformation to method (Names [renderEntityOnFire, func_76977_a] Descriptor (Lnet/minecraft/entity/Entity;DDDF)V) [17:23:21] [Client thread/INFO]: Located Method, patching... [17:23:21] [Client thread/INFO]: Patch result: true [17:23:21] [Client thread/INFO]: Transforming net.minecraft.client.model.ModelBiped [17:23:21] [Client thread/INFO]: Applying Transformation to method (Names [setRotationAngles, func_78087_a] Descriptor (FFFFFFLnet/minecraft/entity/Entity;)V) [17:23:21] [Client thread/INFO]: Located Method, patching... [17:23:21] [Client thread/INFO]: Located patch target node RETURN [17:23:21] [Client thread/INFO]: Patch result: true [17:23:21] [Client thread/INFO]: Transforming net.minecraft.client.renderer.entity.layers.LayerArmorBase [17:23:21] [Client thread/INFO]: Applying Transformation to method (Names [renderArmorLayer, func_188361_a] Descriptor (Lnet/minecraft/entity/EntityLivingBase;FFFFFFFLnet/minecraft/inventory/EntityEquipmentSlot;)V) [17:23:21] [Client thread/INFO]: Located Method, patching... [17:23:21] [Client thread/INFO]: Patch result: true [17:23:21] [Client thread/INFO]: Applying Transformation to method (Names [renderEnchantedGlint, func_188364_a] Descriptor (Lnet/minecraft/client/renderer/entity/RenderLivingBase;Lnet/minecraft/entity/EntityLivingBase;Lnet/minecraft/client/model/ModelBase;FFFFFFF)V) [17:23:21] [Client thread/INFO]: Located Method, patching... [17:23:21] [Client thread/INFO]: Located patch target node INVOKESTATIC net/minecraft/client/renderer/GlStateManager.func_179131_c (FFFF)V [17:23:21] [Client thread/INFO]: Located patch target node INVOKESTATIC net/minecraft/client/renderer/GlStateManager.func_179131_c (FFFF)V [17:23:21] [Client thread/INFO]: Patch result: true [17:23:21] [Sound Library Loader/INFO]: Sound engine started [17:23:21] [Client thread/INFO]: Transforming net.minecraft.client.renderer.entity.RenderBoat [17:23:21] [Client thread/INFO]: Applying Transformation to method (Names [doRender, func_188300_b] Descriptor (Lnet/minecraft/entity/item/EntityBoat;DDDFF)V) [17:23:21] [Client thread/INFO]: Located Method, patching... [17:23:21] [Client thread/INFO]: Located patch target node INVOKEINTERFACE net/minecraft/client/model/IMultipassModel.func_187054_b (Lnet/minecraft/entity/Entity;FFFFFF)V [17:23:21] [Client thread/INFO]: Patch result: true [17:23:21] [Client thread/INFO]: Transforming net.minecraft.client.renderer.entity.layers.LayerEntityOnShoulder [17:23:21] [Client thread/INFO]: Applying Transformation to method (Names [renderEntityOnShoulder, func_192864_a] Descriptor (Lnet/minecraft/entity/player/EntityPlayer;Ljava/util/UUID;Lnet/minecraft/nbt/NBTTagCompound;Lnet/minecraft/client/renderer/entity/RenderLivingBase;Lnet/minecraft/client/model/ModelBase;Lnet/minecraft/util/ResourceLocation;Ljava/lang/Class;FFFFFFFZ)Lnet/minecraft/client/renderer/entity/layers/LayerEntityOnShoulder$DataHolder;) [17:23:21] [Client thread/INFO]: Located Method, patching... [17:23:21] [Client thread/INFO]: Located patch target node INVOKEVIRTUAL net/minecraft/client/renderer/entity/RenderLivingBase.func_110776_a (Lnet/minecraft/util/ResourceLocation;)V [17:23:21] [Client thread/INFO]: Patch result: true [17:23:21] [Client thread/INFO]: Transforming net.minecraft.client.renderer.BlockModelRenderer [17:23:22] [Client thread/INFO]: Applying Transformation to method (Names [renderQuadsFlat, func_187496_a] Descriptor (Lnet/minecraft/world/IBlockAccess;Lnet/minecraft/block/state/IBlockState;Lnet/minecraft/util/math/BlockPos;IZLnet/minecraft/client/renderer/BufferBuilder;Ljava/util/List;Ljava/util/BitSet;)V) [17:23:22] [Client thread/INFO]: Located Method, patching... [17:23:22] [Client thread/INFO]: Located patch target node INVOKEVIRTUAL net/minecraft/client/renderer/BufferBuilder.func_178987_a (DDD)V [17:23:22] [Client thread/INFO]: Patch result: true [17:23:22] [Client thread/WARN]: ERROR : Couldn't load Narrator library : Unable to load library 'fliteWrapper': Native library (linux-aarch64/libfliteWrapper.so) not found in resource path ([file:/storage/emulated/0/Android/data/net.kdt.pojavlaunch/files/lwjgl3/lwjgl-glfw-classes.jar, file:/storage/emulated/0/Android/data/net.kdt.pojavlaunch/files/.minecraft/libraries/org/apache/logging/log4j/log4j-slf4j18-impl/2.15.0/log4j-slf4j18-impl-2.15.0.jar, file:/storage/emulated/0/Android/data/net.kdt.pojavlaunch/files/.minecraft/libraries/org/apache/maven/maven-artifact/3.5.3/maven-artifact-3.5.3.jar, file:/storage/emulated/0/Android/data/net.kdt.pojavlaunch/files/.minecraft/libraries/net/sf/trove4j/trove4j/3.0.3/trove4j-3.0.3.jar, file:/storage/emulated/0/Android/data/net.kdt.pojavlaunch/files/.minecraft/libraries/java3d/vecmath/1.5.2/vecmath-1.5.2.jar, file:/storage/emulated/0/Android/data/net.kdt.pojavlaunch/files/.minecraft/libraries/lzma/lzma/0.0.1/lzma-0.0.1.jar, file:/storage/emulated/0/Android/data/net.kdt.pojavlaunch/files/.minecraft/libraries/org/scala-lang/scala-xml_2.11/1.0.2/scala-xml_2.11-1.0.2.jar, file:/storage/emulated/0/Android/data/net.kdt.pojavlaunch/files/.minecraft/libraries/org/scala-lang/scala-swing_2.11/1.0.1/scala-swing_2.11-1.0.1.jar, file:/storage/emulated/0/Android/data/net.kdt.pojavlaunch/files/.minecraft/libraries/org/scala-lang/scala-reflect/2.11.1/scala-reflect-2.11.1.jar, file:/storage/emulated/0/Android/data/net.kdt.pojavlaunch/files/.minecraft/libraries/org/scala-lang/scala-parser-combinators_2.11/1.0.1/scala-parser-combinators_2.11-1.0.1.jar, file:/storage/emulated/0/Android/data/net.kdt.pojavlaunch/files/.minecraft/libraries/org/scala-lang/scala-library/2.11.1/scala-library-2.11.1.jar, file:/storage/emulated/0/Android/data/net.kdt.pojavlaunch/files/.minecraft/libraries/org/scala-lang/plugins/scala-continuations-plugin_2.11.1/1.0.2_mc/scala-continuations-plugin_2.11.1-1.0.2_mc.jar, file:/storage/emulated/0/Android/data/net.kdt.pojavlaunch/files/.minecraft/libraries/org/scala-lang/plugins/scala-continuations-library_2.11/1.0.2_mc/scala-continuations-library_2.11-1.0.2_mc.jar, file:/storage/emulated/0/Android/data/net.kdt.pojavlaunch/files/.minecraft/libraries/org/scala-lang/scala-compiler/2.11.1/scala-compiler-2.11.1.jar, file:/storage/emulated/0/Android/data/net.kdt.pojavlaunch/files/.minecraft/libraries/org/scala-lang/scala-actors-migration_2.11/1.1.0/scala-actors-migration_2.11-1.1.0.jar, file:/storage/emulated/0/Android/data/net.kdt.pojavlaunch/files/.minecraft/libraries/com/typesafe/config/1.2.1/config-1.2.1.jar, file:/storage/emulated/0/Android/data/net.kdt.pojavlaunch/files/.minecraft/libraries/com/typesafe/akka/akka-actor_2.11/2.3.3/akka-actor_2.11-2.3.3.jar, file:/storage/emulated/0/Android/data/net.kdt.pojavlaunch/files/.minecraft/libraries/org/jline/jline/3.5.1/jline-3.5.1.jar, file:/storage/emulated/0/Android/data/net.kdt.pojavlaunch/files/.minecraft/libraries/net/minecraft/launchwrapper/1.12/launchwrapper-1.12.jar, file:/storage/emulated/0/Android/data/net.kdt.pojavlaunch/files/.minecraft/libraries/org/ow2/asm/asm-debug-all/5.2/asm-debug-all-5.2.jar, file:/storage/emulated/0/Android/data/net.kdt.pojavlaunch/files/.minecraft/libraries/net/minecraftforge/forge/1.12.2-14.23.5.2859/forge-1.12.2-14.23.5.2859.jar, file:/storage/emulated/0/Android/data/net.kdt.pojavlaunch/files/.minecraft/libraries/com/mojang/patchy/1.3.9/patchy-1.3.9.jar, file:/storage/emulated/0/Android/data/net.kdt.pojavlaunch/files/.minecraft/libraries/oshi-project/oshi-core/1.1/oshi-core-1.1.jar, file:/storage/emulated/0/Android/data/net.kdt.pojavlaunch/files/.minecraft/libraries/net/java/dev/jna/jna/4.4.0/jna-4.4.0.jar, file:/storage/emulated/0/Android/data/net.kdt.pojavlaunch/files/.minecraft/libraries/net/java/dev/jna/platform/3.4.0/platform-3.4.0.jar, file:/storage/emulated/0/Android/data/net.kdt.pojavlaunch/files/.minecraft/libraries/com/ibm/icu/icu4j-core-mojang/51.2/icu4j-core-mojang-51.2.jar, file:/storage/emulated/0/Android/data/net.kdt.pojavlaunch/files/.minecraft/libraries/net/sf/jopt-simple/jopt-simple/5.0.3/jopt-simple-5.0.3.jar, file:/storage/emulated/0/Android/data/net.kdt.pojavlaunch/files/.minecraft/libraries/com/paulscode/codecjorbis/20101023/codecjorbis-20101023.jar, file:/storage/emulated/0/Android/data/net.kdt.pojavlaunch/files/.minecraft/libraries/com/paulscode/codecwav/20101023/codecwav-20101023.jar, file:/storage/emulated/0/Android/data/net.kdt.pojavlaunch/files/.minecraft/libraries/com/paulscode/libraryjavasound/20101123/libraryjavasound-20101123.jar, file:/storage/emulated/0/Android/data/net.kdt.pojavlaunch/files/.minecraft/libraries/com/paulscode/librarylwjglopenal/20100824/librarylwjglopenal-20100824.jar, file:/storage/emulated/0/Android/data/net.kdt.pojavlaunch/files/.minecraft/libraries/com/paulscode/soundsystem/20120107/soundsystem-20120107.jar, file:/storage/emulated/0/Android/data/net.kdt.pojavlaunch/files/.minecraft/libraries/io/netty/netty-all/4.1.9.Final/netty-all-4.1.9.Final.jar, file:/storage/emulated/0/Android/data/net.kdt.pojavlaunch/files/.minecraft/libraries/com/google/guava/guava/21.0/guava-21.0.jar, file:/storage/emulated/0/Android/data/net.kdt.pojavlaunch/files/.minecraft/libraries/org/apache/commons/commons-lang3/3.5/commons-lang3-3.5.jar, file:/storage/emulated/0/Android/data/net.kdt.pojavlaunch/files/.minecraft/libraries/commons-io/commons-io/2.5/commons-io-2.5.jar, file:/storage/emulated/0/Android/data/net.kdt.pojavlaunch/files/.minecraft/libraries/commons-codec/commons-codec/1.10/commons-codec-1.10.jar, file:/storage/emulated/0/Android/data/net.kdt.pojavlaunch/files/.minecraft/libraries/net/java/jinput/jinput/2.0.5/jinput-2.0.5.jar, file:/storage/emulated/0/Android/data/net.kdt.pojavlaunch/files/.minecraft/libraries/net/java/jutils/jutils/1.0.0/jutils-1.0.0.jar, file:/storage/emulated/0/Android/data/net.kdt.pojavlaunch/files/.minecraft/libraries/com/google/code/gson/gson/2.8.0/gson-2.8.0.jar, file:/storage/emulated/0/Android/data/net.kdt.pojavlaunch/files/.minecraft/libraries/com/mojang/authlib/1.5.25/authlib-1.5.25.jar, file:/storage/emulated/0/Android/data/net.kdt.pojavlaunch/files/.minecraft/libraries/com/mojang/realms/1.10.22/realms-1.10.22.jar, file:/storage/emulated/0/Android/data/net.kdt.pojavlaunch/files/.minecraft/libraries/org/apache/commons/commons-compress/1.8.1/commons-compress-1.8.1.jar, file:/storage/emulated/0/Android/data/net.kdt.pojavlaunch/files/.minecraft/libraries/org/apache/httpcomponents/httpclient/4.3.3/httpclient-4.3.3.jar, file:/storage/emulated/0/Android/data/net.kdt.pojavlaunch/files/.minecraft/libraries/commons-logging/commons-logging/1.1.3/commons-logging-1.1.3.jar, file:/storage/emulated/0/Android/data/net.kdt.pojavlaunch/files/.minecraft/libraries/org/apache/httpcomponents/httpcore/4.3.2/httpcore-4.3.2.jar, file:/storage/emulated/0/Android/data/net.kdt.pojavlaunch/files/.minecraft/libraries/it/unimi/dsi/fastutil/7.1.0/fastutil-7.1.0.jar, file:/storage/emulated/0/Android/data/net.kdt.pojavlaunch/files/.minecraft/libraries/org/apache/logging/log4j/log4j-api/2.15.0/log4j-api-2.15.0.jar, file:/storage/emulated/0/Android/data/net.kdt.pojavlaunch/files/.minecraft/libraries/org/apache/logging/log4j/log4j-core/2.15.0/log4j-core-2.15.0.jar, file:/storage/emulated/0/Android/data/net.kdt.pojavlaunch/files/.minecraft/libraries/com/mojang/text2speech/1.10.3/text2speech-1.10.3.jar, file:/storage/emulated/0/Android/data/net.kdt.pojavlaunch/files/.minecraft/libraries/com/mojang/text2speech/1.10.3/text2speech-1.10.3.jar, file:/storage/emulated/0/Android/data/net.kdt.pojavlaunch/files/.minecraft/versions/1.12.2-forge-14.23.5.2859/1.12.2-forge-14.23.5.2859.jar, file:/storage/emulated/0/Android/data/net.kdt.pojavlaunch/files/.minecraft/mods/Quark-r1.6-177.jar, asmgen:/]) [17:23:23] [Client thread/INFO]: Transforming net.minecraft.client.renderer.tileentity.TileEntityPistonRenderer [17:23:23] [Client thread/INFO]: Applying Transformation to method (Names [render, func_192841_a] Descriptor (Lnet/minecraft/tileentity/TileEntityPiston;DDDFIF)V) [17:23:23] [Client thread/INFO]: Located Method, patching... [17:23:23] [Client thread/INFO]: Patch result: true

Java Edition uses a number of third party libraries but the core game library is Light Weight Java Game Library, LWJGL.

Minecraft uses LWGL under the hood, which does support Wayland as of version 3 if it is configured to use EGL instead of GLX. (see https://github.com/LWJGL/lwjgl3/issues/748) Version 2 of LWGL does not support Wayland as it relies on xrandr, which is only available on X (see https://github.com/LWJGL/lwjgl/issues/118).

Bevy. A very young engine where you need to write the game entirely in Rust—that was appealing. But fatal flaws overshadowed everything: no editor, the engine brutally enforces the ECS approach, and the game's architecture must literally bend to fit this paradigm. So, you won't migrate to another engine at all—you just throw away all the code and start from scratch.

Missing one of the best choices as long as "maturity" isn't on the top of your list: Bevy - https://bevyengine.org/

Game engine written in Rust, leveraging ECS in almost every place and way, with a really capable WASM export option. Wrestling ECS for the first time might take you some time, but in my experience helps you keep game code as clean and decoupled as game code could be.

I don't see WASM/WebGPU changing anything when it comes to gaming, as an industry, personally. 3d visualizations and interactive websites? Yeah definitely a nice improvement over WebGL 2, if years late.

WebGPU is pretty far behind what AAA games are using even as of 6 years ago. There's extra overhead and security in the WebGPU spec that AAA games do not want. Browsers do not lend themselves to downloading 300gb of assets.

Additionally, indie devs aren't using Steam for the technical capabilities. It's purely about marketshare. Video games are a highly saturated market. The users are all on Steam, getting their recommendations from Steam, and buying games in Steam sales. Hence all the indie developers publish to Steam. I don't see a web browser being appealing as a platform, because there's no way for developers to advertise to users.

That's also only indie games. AAA games use their own launchers, because they don't _need_ the discoverability from being on Steam. So they don't, and avoid the fees. If anything users _want_ the Steam monopoly, because they like the platform, and hate the walled garden launchers from AAA companies.

(I work on high end rendering features for the Bevy game engine https://bevyengine.org, and have extensive experience with WebGPU)

I was working through an example in the repo for the Bevy game engine recently and came across this code

That's possible. I did spend quite a bit of time tinkering with compiler flags, and followed the recommendations.

Some notes I found just now seems to agree with my results, though: https://github.com/bevyengine/bevy/issues/3978#issuecomment-...

I cannot recommend immediate mode GUI programming based on the limitations I've experienced working with egui.

egui does not support putting two widgets in the center of the screen: https://github.com/emilk/egui/issues/3211

It's really easy to get started with immediate mode, it's really easy to bust out some UI, but the second you start trying to involve dynamically resized context and responsive layouts -- abandon all hope. The fact it has to calculate everything in a single pass makes these things hard/impossible.

... that said, I'm still using it for https://ant.care/ (https://github.com/MeoMix/symbiants) because it's the best thing I've found. I'm crossing my fingers that Bevy's UI story (or Kayak https://github.com/StarArawn/kayak_ui) become significantly more fleshed out sooner rather than later. Bevy 0.13 should have lots more in this area though (https://github.com/bevyengine/bevy/discussions/9538)

I've also been enjoying building My First Game™ in Bevy using ECS. The community around Bevy really shines, but Flecs (https://github.com/SanderMertens/flecs) is arguably a more mature, open-source ECS implementation. You don't get to write in Rust, though, which makes it less cool in my book :)

I'm not very proud of the code I've written because I've found writing a game to be much more confusing than building websites + backends, but, as the author notes, it certainly feels more elegant than OOP or globals given the context.

I'm building for WASM and Bevy's parallelism isn't supported in that context (yet? https://github.com/bevyengine/bevy/issues/4078), so the performance wins are just so-so. Sharing a thread with UI rendering suuucks.

If anyone wants to browse some code or ask questions, feel free! https://github.com/MeoMix/symbiants

These days, some game engines have done pretty well at making compute shaders easy to use (such as Bevy [1] -- disclaimer, I contribute to that engine). But telling the scientific/financial/etc. community that they need to run their code inside a game engine to get a decent experience is a hard sell. It's not a great situation compared to how easy it is on NVIDIA's stack.

[1]: https://github.com/bevyengine/bevy/blob/main/examples/shader...

This is the API you need: https://github.com/bevyengine/bevy/pull/9774