bevy VS Amethyst

This is something that can certainly happen. In fact, this is exactly what happened with the Bevy engine, in which a total of 246 contributors agreed to relicense the engine, as explained in this blog post. However, in this case it was done for the good of the engine and its users.

If you are using Rust, you should check out https://bevyengine.org which is a rust based game engine with a focus on ECS

I was crowing to my game dev buddy about how he (a Unity C-sharp developer) ought to check out Bevy and Rust because the Rust type system is friggin’ awesome!

Code examples: https://bevyengine.org/learn/book/getting-started/ecs/

License is Apache 2.0 OR MIT:

https://github.com/bevyengine/bevy/blob/main/LICENSE-APACHE

https://github.com/bevyengine/bevy/blob/main/LICENSE-MIT

For those who are more code centric and like rust, https://bevyengine.org/ is a good alternative to godot as far as open source goes.

It's become rather popular in the graphics (e.g. https://wgpu.rs/) and game dev (e.g. https://bevyengine.org/ ) spaces.

It's pretty popular for AWS Lambda functions.

Pretty popular for terminal / shell applications.

Definitely a great way to write wasm for compute or graphics intensive browser/web apps.

It seems like the best way to approach levels for a desktop build is to save and load scenes as shown in this example (which seems pretty straightforward), but as noted in that file, this doesn't work on WASM since there isn't a file system.

If you like you can copy what I did: https://github.com/tbillington/bevy_toon_shader, which I copied from https://github.com/bevyengine/bevy/ (just that my repo has was less stuff, so might be easier to copy from).

I think Rust for games has come really far. I will cite https://arewegameyet.rs/ "Almost. We have the blocks, bring your own glue.".

All the blocks are there and the language is really well suited to games.

On top of my head:

The pros:

- The crate ecosystem and the package manager makes it really easy to integrate any useful component such as pathfinding, spatial partitioning, graphics backend, audio system.. Most crates take a lot of effort to be cross-platform so I can develop on linux and not spend too much time debugging windows releases.

- The strong typing and algebraic data types makes expressing the game state very pleasant. I also found I was able to develop a very big game without too many bugs even though I don't write many tests.

- Ahead of time compilation + LLVM guarantees you won't have to optimise for weird things around a virtual machine. Rust gives you more control to optimise hot loops as you can go low-level.

- I find wgpu to be the perfect balance between ergonomics and power compared to Vulkan. OpenGL support through wgpu is also a nice addition for lower end devices.

- The Rust community is very helpful, you can often talk directly to crate maintainers

The cons:

- Compilation times, when compared to JITed languages such as C# can be very painful. It can be alleviated by buying a 3950X but I still often get 10-30s iteration times.

- The static nature of Rust means you often need a dynamism layer above to tweak stuff that can be awkward to manage. I made inline_tweak for this purpose but it's really far from how easy Unity makes it. https://github.com/Uriopass/inline_tweak

- Since Rust feels very ergonomic, you are tempted to write almost all game logic within it, so mod support feels very backwards to implement as you cannot really tweak "everything" like in Unity games. Thankfully "Systems" game like Factorio or Egregoria can be theoretically split into the "simulation" and the "entities" so mod can still have a great impact. Factorio is built in C++ so has the same problematic. Their Lua API surface is quite insane to be able to hook into everything. https://lua-api.factorio.com/latest/

Now, I have to talk about Bevy: https://bevyengine.org/. It did not exist when I started but it is a revolution in the Rust gamedev space. It is a very powerful 100% Rust game engine that makes you write game code in Rust too. It has incredible energy behind it and I feel like if I'd used Bevy from the start I wouldn't have had to develop many core engine systems. Its modular design is also incredibly pleasant as you can just replace any part you don't like with your own.

Learn how to draw sprites to the screen: https://github.com/bevyengine/bevy/blob/main/examples/2d/sprite.rs

Yep, we do this, it works great! We stole it from hecs and Amethyst before us. There's a nice write-up of the theory in the scheduler rework the team has been working on for the past few months.

Rust also has seemingly better libraries for the purpose. Both Bevy and Amethyst are available, and plenty more.

Amethyst

I recently stumbled upon a short YouTube video of somebody building a roguelike game in Rust. From there, jumping from resource to resource, I ended up going through (part) of this massive (and awesome) tutorial by Herbert Wolverson about his Rust library bracket_lib. In this tutorial, Wolverson builds a roguelike game with colored text characters. After reading through, I felt like writing another type of game in Rust, so I looked at the available Rust game engines. The most popular, seems to be Amethyst, but it looks like they halted their development efforts. Second in line was Bevy. People are using it, support for Android and iOS is on the way, uses an ECS and have some usage examples: looks good.

Depends on my goals. I year ago I wanted to learn rust, so I used piston for a gamejam. (There are several rust engines including bevy, piston, amethyst. They probably vary in quality, features, and constraints.) Piston was a terrible experience because compilation is slow even on that tiny project.

And there's already a couple of surprisingly full-featured 3D engines already out there. Most notably Amethyst.

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Is anyone having this problem? I can't connect to rocket.rs, actix.rs and amethyst.rs servers. I would play at https://tera.netlify.app/, but people out there is really toxic. I heard that Rust is getting an update while playing in a Rust server, just then rust server freezes and goes down.

Or should I jump directly in one of the bigger engines like Amethyst, Bevy or other?