ZeroMQ VS GameNetworkingSockets

Slightly OT:

Are ZeroMQ and NanoMQ still widely used (and recommended)?

https://github.com/zeromq/libzmq

https://github.com/nanomq/nanomq

Remarkable, up until recently, requests for a new release were sumewhat brusquely rejected and marked as spam.

https://github.com/zeromq/libzmq/issues/4455

I wonder what made the maintainer change his mind.

FP Libraries: gRPC, ZeroMQ, and AREG are examples of libraries with a special focus on providing possibilities for Interprocess Communication. Developed using C++, they facilitate communication through predefined APIs, emphasizing functional programming concepts.

Unlikely, but they seem to be different things altogether. BlazingMQ appears to be a traditional message queue (think ActiveMQ), with message peristence. ZeroMQ is more of a network middleware (think Tibco Rendezvous), and does not include persistence.

BlazingMQ also appears to be more of a "platform" or "service" that an app can use (sort of like Oracle, say) -- ZeroMQ includes libraries that one can use to build an app, service or platform, but none is provided "out of the box".

Which makes it harder to get started with ZeroMQ, since by definition every ZeroMQ app is essentially built "from scratch".

If you're interested in ZeroMQ, you may want to check out OZ (https://github.com/nyfix/OZ), which is a Rendezvous-like platform that uses the OpenMAMA API (https://github.com/finos/OpenMAMA) and ZeroMQ (https://github.com/zeromq/libzmq) transport to provide a full-featured network middleware implementation. OZ has been used in our shop since 2020 handling approx 50MM high-value messages per day on our global FIX network.

-- Using src='https://github.com/zeromq/libzmq/releases/download/v4.3.4/zeromq-4.3.4.tar.gz'

Just check copying file in source repo https://github.com/zeromq/libzmq

I think the situation is more subtle than the poster admits.

No, ZeroMQ and successors do not tell you about socket state. You can't detect disconnection or reconnection. But then if a TCP connection fails in some way that does not lead to disconnection (packets getting dropped, remote machine powers down), it can't possibly tell you about that either, but you still need to deal with it. So in any case, you need some sort of application-level error detection and recovery; you need heartbeats, and serial numbers in messages, and a protocol for explicitly restarting a connection and performing the initial handshake. And once you have that, explicit connection events from ZeroMQ are much less important.

Admittedly, given that this is a TCP transport, reporting reconnections would still be useful, because TCP won't ever drop messages from the interior of a sequence itself (if it delivers 15, it has delivered 1 - 14 already), so you shouldn't need the serial numbers.

And if it's really not possible to detect authentication failures, than that seems rubbish. And it seems that is indeed the case: https://github.com/zeromq/libzmq/issues/3505

From https://github.com/zeromq/libzmq

Steam does have a NAT traversal/punchthrough service too. It's apparently usable without Steam according to their README on https://github.com/ValveSoftware/GameNetworkingSockets but honestly the only easy to use implementation I know is in Facepunch.Steamworks which requires a SteamID to initialize

Halo was mostly all about single player and early multiplayer/local multiplayer but their online netcode has sucked since Blood Gulch. Lots of games do networking horribly, I have been in gamedev making networking and I hate most of what people do. The ones that have a clean natting, based on enet style reliable UDP channels, RakNet style punch are better (RakNet was good until Facebook bought it). It has come a long way but also fallen back. Valve source netcode (on github) is probably the best and you can check it out here. They started with the best in Quake networking, then to Source.

There are some general APIs that are tied to Steam, like some networking stuff (even then there's an open source library), but the devs are not required to use any of those. If the devs chose to develop exclusively for steam and use their libraries, then that's their own decision.

Keep in mind that if you do go the GodotSteam route, there's GameNetworkingSockets from valve that doesn't have the requirement of needing Steam that you can use for releasing on other platforms. It has the same interface as the Steamworks SDK without requiring the Steamworks SDK.

Their UDP-but-connection-based game networking protocol can be used completely separetely from Steam (it also supports encryption). I think that does not include their relay networking solution, but still.. maybe it's helpful. They also have a TCP-like interface to make it easy to plug into an existing solution.

You can also use the non-Steam parts of that library in any game in case you don't just release on Steam (have a look at https://github.com/ValveSoftware/GameNetworkingSockets )

If you want to go the route of using a raw protocol and packing your messages yourself, I suggest to at least have a look at Valve's GameNetworkingSockets either for inspiration of what you might need or even to just use the library: https://github.com/ValveSoftware/GameNetworkingSockets

There is early NAT piercing support in Valve's GameNetworkingSockets. Check out:

You can also try Valve's GameNetworkingSockets with a serialization of your choice.