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ui-mock
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Rust hello world app for Windows 95, cross-compiled from Linux, no MSVC
It's quite possible to develop Rust for Windows without using Windows.
Try my open source "ui-mock".[1] This is a test of the cross-platform stack. Just get the repository with "git clone", and make sure you have Rust installed for target "x86_64-pc-windows-gnu". See the Cargo.toml file for build instructions.
This is a game-type user interface. It's just some menus and a 3D cube. It doesn't do much, but it exercises all the lower levels. This allows debugging cross-platform problems in a simple environment. The main crates used are winit (cross-plaform window event handling), wgpu (cross-plaform GPU handling), rfd (cross-platform file dialogs), keychain (cross-platform password storage), egui (Rust-native menus and dialogs), and rend3 (safe interface to wgpu). For graphics, it uses Vulkan, so it will run on Windows back to the last release of Windows 7. Not Windows 95, though; it's 64-bit. It will also run under Wine, so you don't even need a Windows system to test.
My metaverse client uses the same stack. It's compiled on Linux, and runs on both Linux and Windows. So I'm building a high-performance 3D graphics program for Windows without even owning a Windows system or using any Microsoft software.
[1] https://github.com/John-Nagle/ui-mock
- Really frustrated. [Warning: Bit of a negative rant]
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We're still not game, but there has been progress. A progress report.
Profiling on the CPU side is well handled by tracy, which is a game-oriented profiler. My programs render-bench and ui-mock are prepped for Tracy, as is Rend3, so you can try it out on them.
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We're not really game yet.
ui-mock -- game GUI test fixture This exercises rfd->egui->rend3->wgpu. It's a game GUI with menus and dialogs, but no game behind it, just a 3D drawing of a cube. It's useful for making bugs in that stack repeatable. That's been helpful in wringing out obscure bugs in egui.
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Kind of quiet. So, my wishlist
Egui works well with Rend3. Here's my example and library for that. It's a dummy game UI; no game, but brings up menus atop Rend3 3D. Egui is very low level. Each dialog takes a lot of code. Something to generate dialogs from some kind of template would be useful. I have many of those to do. Incidentally, does anyone have examples of good color themes for egui? The default is shades of black on black, which is a bit harsh. I'd like to see some examples where the aesthetics are better.
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My Return to Desktop Applications
There's an attempt to make this work for Rust desktop applications. There's the winit crate, which does cross-platform windowing and event loops. There's egui, for menus and subwindows. There's rfd, for file dialogs, which are special for security reasons. And there's wgpu, for cross-platform 3D.
I'm using all of these in my ui-mock,[1] which is a GUI for a game without the game. It has 3D graphics with 2D GUI elements on top. I'm using this to shake down all the cross-platform problems for my metaverse client. My own code, which is 100% safe Rust, has no platform dependent code.
Results are pretty good. There's minor dirty laundry in those libraries, which has been reported to the various maintainers. Stuff like this:
- You can get a file dialog hidden behind the main window, which, in a full screen program, is a real problem. Mostly a Linux problem; works fine on Windows.
- Full screen on Windows mode under Wine 7 crashes Wine. Known Wine bug.
- Warnings from WGPU, but it works around all of them with some minor performance loss.
- Cross-platform packaging, to make a Windows installer without Windows, isn't implemented yet.
So, not big stuff. A lot of stuff works that you might not expect to work, such as profiling with tracy. Wgpu is taking care of Vulkan vs Apple's Metal. (Apple just had to Think Different, to the annoyance of everybody doing 3D.) Opening a web page in the default browser is cross-platform. You can cross-compile - I build the Windows version on Linux, without using any Microsoft tools.
With some more work, I could make this work on WASM and Android as well, but that requires some special casing, mostly because WASM doesn't have proper threads.
So cross-platform desktop development is working pretty well. Most of the problems I'm running into would not appear in a more typical application.
[1] https://github.com/John-Nagle/ui-mock
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Godot + Rust dev in MacOS
I have a Rend3/Egui/WGPU program, https://github.com/John-Nagle/ui-mock
wgpu
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GPU Compute in the Browser at the Speed of Native: WebGPU Marching Cubes
Oh look it's subgroup support landing last week: https://github.com/gfx-rs/wgpu/pull/5301
- 3D and 2D: Testing out my cross-platform graphics engine
- Warp Terminal is now available for Linux
- Linux version of Warp terminal is here
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Building the DirectX shader compiler better than Microsoft?
And wgpu has been doing this for years. Things like descriptor indexing are not exposed to the web but used by Rust (mostly) engines on native.
https://wgpu.rs/
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New Renderers for GTK
If they used https://wgpu.rs/ they would get directx and metal for free (:
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Show HN: WebGPU Particles Simulation
IIRC it was delayed multiple times. I think the first intent to ship from chrome was before 100 but they kept pushing it off. Firefox still does not support it. There are projects like wgpu[0] that wrap provide a higher level API and I have used some projects using it with no issues. WFIW I didn't see any issue with OP's demo either.
[0] https://github.com/gfx-rs/wgpu
- Deno 1.39: The Return of WebGPU
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How do I become a graphics programmer? – A guide from AMD Game Engineering team
wgpu, the Rust WebGPU implementation is the bee's knees. https://wgpu.rs/ You can use it beyond the web.
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There is anything like wgpu.rs for Zig?
There is anything like wgpu.rs for Zig? wgpu.rs is an abstraction on top of Vulkan, Metal, DirectX, etc...
What are some alternatives?
couchbase-lite-C - C language bindings for the Couchbase Lite embedded NoSQL database engine
vulkano - Safe and rich Rust wrapper around the Vulkan API
Ambient - The multiplayer game engine
tauri - Build smaller, faster, and more secure desktop applications with a web frontend.
openjpeg - Official repository of the OpenJPEG project
glow - GL on Whatever: a set of bindings to run GL anywhere and avoid target-specific code
rend3 - Easy to use, customizable, efficient 3D renderer library built on wgpu.
rust-gpu - 🐉 Making Rust a first-class language and ecosystem for GPU shaders 🚧
cargo-bundle - Wrap rust executables in OS-specific app bundles
bevy - A refreshingly simple data-driven game engine built in Rust
ttrss-sandstorm - Sandstorm port of Tiny Tiny RSS
bgfx - Cross-platform, graphics API agnostic, "Bring Your Own Engine/Framework" style rendering library.