plaidml VS rust-gpu

basically agree with all of this, however I do want to highlight that there is no 'ZKML protocol plan' - the panel here are all involved in quite different projects and interested in ZKML for a variety of reasons. As one of the authors of https://github.com/plaidml/plaidml I'm not expecting any kind of standard protocol to evolve for several years; the group behind the AMA though is optimistic about the potential of ZKML and this AMA is part of the start of developing useful protocols.

It understands my Swedish attempts at English really well with the medium.en model. (Although, it gives me a funny warning: `UserWarning: medium.en is an English-only model but receipted 'English'; using English instead.`. I guess it doesn't want to be told to use English when that's all it can do.)

However, it runs very slowly. It uses the CPU on my macbook, presumably because it hasn't got a NVidia card.

Googling about that I found [plaidML](https://github.com/plaidml/plaidml) which is a project promising to run ML on many different gpu architectures. Does anyone know whether it is possible to plug them together somehow? I am not an ML researcher, and don't quite understand anything about the technical details of the domain, but I can understand and write python code in domains that I do understand, so I could do some glue work if required.

Have you tried PlaidML https://github.com/plaidml/plaidml

This doesn't answer your question, but it would be cool if we had something based on MLIR for GPU compute. From what I've read, it closes the gap between NVIDIA and other GPU vendors a lot more than pure compute shaders. e.g. ONNX-MLIR, PlaidML, and IREE.

There is a library called PlaidML which is supposed to support Keras on a wide variety of GPUs, including the Iris. But it doesn't. I get the issue reported as Issue #168, which was first reported in 2018 and is still open. That's what I mean by not well supported.

Not really: https://github.com/plaidml/plaidml/commits/plaidml-v1

There are reports on github of plaidML conking out on older CPUs with a similar "illegal instruction err.

Sounds cool, but this requires yet another language to learn[0]. As someone who only has limited knowledge in this space, could someone tell me how comparable is the compute functionality of rust-gpu[1], where I can just write rust?

[0] https://github.com/Hugobros3/shady#language-syntax

[1] https://github.com/EmbarkStudios/rust-gpu

I don't do anything related to data science, but I feel like doing it in Rust would be nice.

You get operator overloading, so you can have ergonomic matrix operations that are typed also. Processing data on the CPU is fast, and crates like https://github.com/EmbarkStudios/rust-gpu make it very ergonomic to leverage the GPU.

I like this library for creating typed coordinate spaces for graphics programming (https://github.com/servo/euclid), I imagine something similar could be done to create refined types for matrices so you don't do matrix multiplication matrices of invalid sizes

Do you mean rust-gpu?

And https://github.com/EmbarkStudios/rust-gpu/tree/main/examples with the wgpu runner (here it runs the compute shader)

I don't know how major they are considered, but Embark Studios is doing quite a bit of Rust in the open source space, most notably (IMO) rust-gpu and kajiya

The examples in the rust-gpu repository are a good place to start

There's another project that's similar that's being used by an actual game company: https://github.com/EmbarkStudios/rust-gpu

They see specific advantages here that would outweigh that negative. It's not my space (I play games, but know next to nothing about graphics programming), but there's at least one argument in the other direction.

Could this approach work for compute shaders (GPGPU) as well? So far, I think https://github.com/EmbarkStudios/rust-gpu is the state of the art in that area, but it adds a specific Rust compiler backend for generating SPIR-V rather than leaving that up to the driver. That seems more complicated than it needs to be... but maybe it has advantages too? Thoughts?

https://github.com/embarkstudios/rust-gpu Allows you to create shaders (kernals) in Rust.

Also Embark Studios (formers DICE people) is doing a lot of work with Rust, all open source like Rust GPU https://github.com/EmbarkStudios/rust-gpu