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cl-autowrap
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Why Is Common Lisp Not the Most Popular Programming Language?
> Lack of access to the C libraries.
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I recently started learning Common Lisp for fun (and fun it is!) and the ease of accessing C libraries was one of the things that surprised me in a positive way.
Using https://github.com/rpav/cl-autowrap one can simply write (c-include "file.h") and the API defined in "file.h" is accessible from Lisp. I can't think of a simpler way.
Even without cl-autowrap, FFI using https://cffi.common-lisp.dev/ seems simple enough.
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An Idea for Piggybacking Python (language) ecosystem
I think the closest is cl-autowrap. I can imagine a higher level wrapper around it by which it can translate the python header file into the CL counterpart, although I'm not sure how much work the translation might entail. Also, because python and lisp semantics can differ considerably, the generated code might be trying to do weird things - again an issue of translation.
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Why Functional Programming Should Be the Future of Software
Common lisp has a "pretty OK" story for calling C code whenever some speed is needed [0,1]. In my opinion, they suffer from some of the documentation/quick start problems that common lisp has, but they're otherwise usable.
Some of Naughty Dog's late 90's/early 2000's games (Jak and Daxter, Jak II) were written in a lisp called GOAL, Game Oriented Assembly Lisp [2]
[0] https://github.com/rpav/cl-autowrap
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Common Lisp language extensions wish list?
The closest thing to what you request, that I'm aware of, is cl-autowrap (to use C code from Lisp) but it is not standard in any way. CFFI is the de facto standard for using C from Lisp across different implementations.
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I have bolted together ECL and the Irrlicht game library
:claw tracks back to 2017 as a fork of cl-autowrap with cl-autowrap/pull/83 feature.
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Common Lisp
If you're interested in FFI, then yeah CFFI is the standard. The other comments addressed speed, I also wanted to point out https://github.com/rpav/cl-autowrap which is built on top of CFFI and can help get a wrapper up and running faster. After using autowrap's c-include you can then use CFFI basically like normal or some useful autowrap/plus-c's helper functions -- e.g. in one project, I have an SDL_Event (https://wiki.libsdl.org/SDL_Event) and to access event.key.keysym.scancode I have a helper function that's just (plus-c:c-ref event sdl2-ffi:sdl-event :key :keysym :scancode). Last year I wanted to try out using FMOD, and even though it's closed source and has a (to me) "interesting" API things worked easily: https://gist.github.com/Jach/dc2ec7b9402d0ec5836a935384cacdc... More work would be needed to make a nice wrapper, type things more fully, etc. but depending on the C library you might find someone's already done that (or made a start) and made it available from quicklisp.
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[Common Lisp] Best Libraries for Interfacing with UNIX-like Operating Systems?
In recent years there has also been cl-autowrap; caveats -
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Alternative to ECL?
There is the cl-autowrap that can generate lisp packages from C header filesc- I am unsure if it sticks to ANSI C or goes beyond. It inturn depends on c2ffi for the first time around.
hy
- A dialect of Lisp that's embedded in Python
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How to Write a (Lisp) Interpreter (In Python)
Not exactly the same (doesn't embed into the source like this did), but I believe Hylang[0] is the best Lisp package available for modern Python.
[0] https://github.com/hylang/hy
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Sapling: A highly experimental vi-inspired editor where you edit code, not text
Isn't that a bit what hy (https://hylang.org/) tries to do ? AIUI it is a lisp interacting directly with the AST of Python, allowing seamless interop: Python modules can be used from hy and vice versa, everything is transparent.
- Hylang, a Lisp dialect embedded in Python
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Hissp
I’ve been keeping loose tabs on this and Hy[1] for a while, but I’ve had some trouble figuring out the major differences between them and the use-cases for either. Would love to see an in-depth comparison in the form of a blog post sometime (though maybe the answer here is to do the research and write one up myself).
1: https://hylang.org
- Hy
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Ask HN: Is SICP/HtDP still worth reading in 2023? Any alternatives?
“Python is for scientists. Lisp is for engineers.”
Then what does that make Hy language?
https://hylang.org/
Re Languages with lots of example code and LLM’s
With translators or things like Hy lang, one could get the LLM’s to solve your problem in Python before converting it to another form. Then, you just need a translator. If lacking one, it’s easy to translate by hand.
The practicality of this concept will probably vary by use case. My experiments had GPT doing sketching, implementations, boilerplate, and even porting Python to Rust. A legally-clear LLM trained on multiple languages could probably be fine-tuned to do Python to LISP conversions. If not, Hy might be a stepping stone, too.
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Sharing Saturday #469
You could say so: I've been maintaining the compiler since 2016 ;). Infinitesimal Quest 2 + ε (SQ) exists more to advance Hy than for its own sake.
- What if: python without commas
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Best implementation of CL for learning purposes
If you are using Python - you might find Hylang (https://hylang.org) interesting.
What are some alternatives?
c2ffi - Clang-based FFI wrapper generator
hissp - It's Python with a Lissp.
cffi - The Common Foreign Function Interface
Fennel - Lua Lisp Language
chibi-scheme - Official chibi-scheme repository
babashka - Native, fast starting Clojure interpreter for scripting
cl-rashell - Resilient replicant Shell Programming Library for Common Lisp
eso-light-attack-weave - This is a macro for the game Elder Scrolls Online
mal - mal - Make a Lisp
Carp - A statically typed lisp, without a GC, for real-time applications.
claw - Common Lisp autowrapping facility for C and C++ libraries
hebigo - 蛇語(HEH-bee-go): An indentation-based skin for Hissp.