kiwi VS lua-languages

Nucleic also makes Kiwi one of the fastest Cassowary Constraint implementations. It is very useful for implementing custom GUIs as it can make building internal component layouts and general layout systems fairly straightforward and it’s very performant.

I highly encourage taking a look at it and it has also been ported to a wide range of language.

I’m using Nim kiwi with my own GUI library now. I’ll have to take a peak at how enaml is using kiwi for its layouts.

https://kiwisolver.readthedocs.io/en/latest/

https://github.com/alexbirkett/kiwi-java

https://github.com/PongoEngine/jasper

https://github.com/yglukhov/kiwi

If any of the Luau devs are watching this, please flesh out the metamethods. I'd switch almost everything to Luau if they were improved.

They're the biggest PITA right now as designed in PUC-Rio, and I see that while you've improved upon __eq, other metamethods are still lacking.

In PUC-Rio, boolean equality operators FORCE a boolean result, regardless of what you return. Ideally they would allow returning any result type, which then can be coerced to boolean later (e.g. by an `if` statement), just like the arithmetic operators do.

Further, `__neq`, `__ge` and `__gt` do not exist. They should.

The lack of a proper metamethod design means that binding to e.g. Kiwi[0] is impossible without some incredibly fugly hacks. It has been a long-standing annoyance with Lua in an otherwise beautiful little scripting language (that I use frequently).

This looks quite nice - lots of attempts in this space but nothing that attempts to match Lua to this degree.

[0] https://github.com/nucleic/kiwi

This post inspired me to look for an ML-like language that compiles to lua and I found this useful list: https://github.com/hengestone/lua-languages

There's a complete list of languages that compile to Lua available here: https://github.com/hengestone/lua-languages

There are a ton of different ways to do this but you haven't given enough information to give useful advice. What kind of language do you want to make? "as a module of smth else" doesn't really mean anything. https://github.com/hengestone/lua-languages

There's also gpanders/nvim-moonwalker, which advertises Fennel in it's readme but works for any x->lua language you return the lua code for, ie: teal, moonscript, uh... others?

I went on a several-weeks-long fact finding mission (the longest of its kind I've ever done in my 10 years as a professional software developer).

The option that won was to write all business logic (a few thousand lines of code) in Lua, then write the GUI in each platform's native language+ui-library combination and re-use the same business logic by embedding Lua.

Another option that made the shortlist was using Haxe instead of Lua, but after several weeks, it became clear that that was a bad idea, and with Lua, the developer experience is now so much better.

I definitely plan on continuing to use Lua as my main programming language.

This comes after 20 years of having python as my main programming language because I'm displeased with feature creep and bloat on python. With lua, I find that I barely miss any features/abilities from the vastly more complex python while the simplicity of lua means my code gets to "go places" where python can't go.

With lua, you find casual implementers making fully compatible alternative implementations (e.g. NeoLua for C#, Luna for Java, fengari for JavaScript, ...) With Python, alternative implementations seemingly just can't keep up with the pace at which CPython is introducing unnecessary new features and CPython-compatbility is de-facto the only meaningful python standard there is. Jython and IronPython would make the platform so much more appealing, but they appear dead in the water. Python implementations for the browser pop up every couple of years only to quietly disappear again.

What's more: Once you've settled on Lua as am embedding language, developers of Lua logic are free to use not just Lua, but they can pick from a host of cool transpile-to-Lua languages [1].

[1] https://github.com/hengestone/lua-languages

However, there are many languages to which this doesn’t apply (before Fennel I’ve tried to write Minetest mods in Haxe without success).

Maybe most of them are also small projects, but there are a lot of projects that compile other languages to Lua: https://github.com/hengestone/lua-languages .

Doubtful, but there is TypescriptToLua: https://typescripttolua.github.io/

Here's a whole list of languages that compile to Lua (many of them statically typed): https://github.com/hengestone/lua-languages

That's just because there are lots of lua transpilers. https://github.com/hengestone/lua-languages