mui-rff VS bevy

Part of the complexity of integrating a form library with a ux library is passing all of the correct properties around between the two. In this case, I wasn't doing that correctly and it resulted in a bug where disabled was not being set correctly. Someone filed a bug. The bug was fixed and a test was written to ensure that this doesn't happen again in the future.

You can read the history here: https://github.com/lookfirst/mui-rff/issues/455

If you're working with people who randomly 'forget' things while they are doing development, then I guarantee that you're working with people who also write buggy code.

I consider buggy code the act of developers writing the code at least 2x instead of 1x. If you or your company is paying someone $X a year to write code once and they are actually writing code more than once, then I would highly suggest you look for new people to work with because that is a terrible return on investment.

If your developers are writing tests, along with their code, then the code is far more likely to be correct and better thought out and less buggy than code that was just hand tested as they developed it. Speaking of that 2x example, I'd rather pay someone 2x the amount of time to write code, with tests, than the other way around.

Kind of yes... not all dependencies are direct for the app, a lot are just dev dependencies. Just to get eslint/prettier to warn, auto format and cleanup my code when I save a file, it is 13 direct dev dependencies in my project [0].

[0] https://github.com/lookfirst/mui-rff/blob/master/package.jso...

After ~25 years of open source and regretting a lot of my earlier behaviors as a younger human, a couple years ago I created another open source project [0].

I made a point of setting it up right from the beginning. Easy build system, fully unit tested, code of conduct, automated CLA signing, examples, good documentation and most importantly, I am excessively kind to anyone who comments or gives feedback. This took an inordinate amount of time up front, but was worth it.

I'd say the result of this is that I've gotten a couple high quality contributions, zero stress and very very little feedback. It has been a pleasure to maintain this project because it causes me no pain at all.

I'd say that maintaining 200+ projects is just insane really. You've overdone it. It is impossible to do any of them extremely well and of course you're just going to invite 200x more drama. Don't do that.

[0] https://github.com/lookfirst/mui-rff

Bevy. A very young engine where you need to write the game entirely in Rust—that was appealing. But fatal flaws overshadowed everything: no editor, the engine brutally enforces the ECS approach, and the game's architecture must literally bend to fit this paradigm. So, you won't migrate to another engine at all—you just throw away all the code and start from scratch.

Missing one of the best choices as long as "maturity" isn't on the top of your list: Bevy - https://bevyengine.org/

Game engine written in Rust, leveraging ECS in almost every place and way, with a really capable WASM export option. Wrestling ECS for the first time might take you some time, but in my experience helps you keep game code as clean and decoupled as game code could be.

I don't see WASM/WebGPU changing anything when it comes to gaming, as an industry, personally. 3d visualizations and interactive websites? Yeah definitely a nice improvement over WebGL 2, if years late.

WebGPU is pretty far behind what AAA games are using even as of 6 years ago. There's extra overhead and security in the WebGPU spec that AAA games do not want. Browsers do not lend themselves to downloading 300gb of assets.

Additionally, indie devs aren't using Steam for the technical capabilities. It's purely about marketshare. Video games are a highly saturated market. The users are all on Steam, getting their recommendations from Steam, and buying games in Steam sales. Hence all the indie developers publish to Steam. I don't see a web browser being appealing as a platform, because there's no way for developers to advertise to users.

That's also only indie games. AAA games use their own launchers, because they don't _need_ the discoverability from being on Steam. So they don't, and avoid the fees. If anything users _want_ the Steam monopoly, because they like the platform, and hate the walled garden launchers from AAA companies.

(I work on high end rendering features for the Bevy game engine https://bevyengine.org, and have extensive experience with WebGPU)

I was working through an example in the repo for the Bevy game engine recently and came across this code

That's possible. I did spend quite a bit of time tinkering with compiler flags, and followed the recommendations.

Some notes I found just now seems to agree with my results, though: https://github.com/bevyengine/bevy/issues/3978#issuecomment-...

I cannot recommend immediate mode GUI programming based on the limitations I've experienced working with egui.

egui does not support putting two widgets in the center of the screen: https://github.com/emilk/egui/issues/3211

It's really easy to get started with immediate mode, it's really easy to bust out some UI, but the second you start trying to involve dynamically resized context and responsive layouts -- abandon all hope. The fact it has to calculate everything in a single pass makes these things hard/impossible.

... that said, I'm still using it for https://ant.care/ (https://github.com/MeoMix/symbiants) because it's the best thing I've found. I'm crossing my fingers that Bevy's UI story (or Kayak https://github.com/StarArawn/kayak_ui) become significantly more fleshed out sooner rather than later. Bevy 0.13 should have lots more in this area though (https://github.com/bevyengine/bevy/discussions/9538)

I've also been enjoying building My First Game™ in Bevy using ECS. The community around Bevy really shines, but Flecs (https://github.com/SanderMertens/flecs) is arguably a more mature, open-source ECS implementation. You don't get to write in Rust, though, which makes it less cool in my book :)

I'm not very proud of the code I've written because I've found writing a game to be much more confusing than building websites + backends, but, as the author notes, it certainly feels more elegant than OOP or globals given the context.

I'm building for WASM and Bevy's parallelism isn't supported in that context (yet? https://github.com/bevyengine/bevy/issues/4078), so the performance wins are just so-so. Sharing a thread with UI rendering suuucks.

If anyone wants to browse some code or ask questions, feel free! https://github.com/MeoMix/symbiants

These days, some game engines have done pretty well at making compute shaders easy to use (such as Bevy [1] -- disclaimer, I contribute to that engine). But telling the scientific/financial/etc. community that they need to run their code inside a game engine to get a decent experience is a hard sell. It's not a great situation compared to how easy it is on NVIDIA's stack.

[1]: https://github.com/bevyengine/bevy/blob/main/examples/shader...

This is the API you need: https://github.com/bevyengine/bevy/pull/9774