lispgames VS cl-cookbook

Hello, looking for well tested, well documented game development library for lisp with 2d/3d graphics. i found a bunch of sdl, and opengl libraries here (unfortunatlly no webgl libraries) and i dunno which to choose from. Also I'm going to be honest and say that I'm very new to lisp (outside emacs lisp), but i think its just a fun hobby project to learn both lisp and graphics and i hope by the end of this ill have a simple antiyoy clone.

- https://itch.io/jam/spring-lisp-game-jam-2021/results

Here's a list of previous years:

- https://github.com/lispgames/lispgames.github.io/wiki/Lisp-G...

It's fun and laid-back. Explore previous editions to see what people made in the past.

There isn't much in the ways of complete engines like unity or unreal, or even maintained godot bindings, but there is a community for making games at least, so you can get some work done if you go a little lower leveled than those. They some regular game jams for games written in lisp. As far as how common it is to use lisp I have no idea outside of it being used in Jak & Daxter.

I don't really use Lisp that much, but it seems like a nice language to work with when it comes to symbolic stuff. They host pretty regular lisp only gamejams on itch, so you could take alook there at what people made and how. There are some resources overe here as well.

For 2d games, Fennel with LOVE seems to be a maintained and good choice. Are there some Scheme 2d frameworks similar to LOVE that are still maintained and offer also packages with e.g. collision detection or physics? I have had a look at [0], but many seem outdated.

https://github.com/lispgames/lispgames.github.io/wiki/Scheme

I heard there were attempts, but I don't quite remember what the end results were. I think someone indeed submitted Emacs-based games previously. If you find something, please, add information to Emacs Lisp page of lispgames for future adventurers: https://github.com/lispgames/lispgames.github.io/wiki/EmacsLisp

Some are here https://github.com/lispgames/lispgames.github.io/wiki/Lisp-Game-Jams

But after you get past some basic weird stuff, it's a quite wonderful language.

> I can only speak for myself, but I definitely reason about code outside in rather than inside out.

You can indent code to make it much easier to "parse", and use some macros that turn the code inside/out, it's more readable than most other languages.

The CL cookbook is an excellent resource, and this page links to several other excellent resources and books you can read for free online: https://lispcookbook.github.io/cl-cookbook/

The "new docs" also present the documentation in a "modern" looking way (rather than the 90's looks of what you get if you Google around): https://lisp-docs.github.io/cl-language-reference/

About other Lisps...

The Racket Guide is definitely not "bone-dry": https://docs.racket-lang.org/guide/intro.html

It is well written and looks very beautiful to me.

On another Scheme, I find Guile docs also great: https://www.gnu.org/software/guile/manual/html_node/index.ht...

They may be a bit more "dry" but they're to the point and very readable! In fact, I think Lisp languages tend to have great documentation.

> the problem with Lisp is that it's sorta bundled with Emacs

What's the problems with Alive, SLT, Slyblime, and Vlime? I mean, I use Emacs, but I was using Emacs before getting into Scheme and CL anyway.

> Every website that teaches Lisp is in ugly HTML+CSS-only style

I dunno, I feel like the Community Spec (<https://cl-community-spec.github.io/pages/index.html>) and the Cookbook (<https://lispcookbook.github.io/cl-cookbook/>) are fine.

> I like the philosophy of (s-exp) but modern lisps have ruined its simplicity for me by introducing additional bracket notations [like this].

Yes, that additional notation is a terrible blight on the perfection that is S-expressions, I wholeheartedly agree.

check out the editor section, there's more than Emacs these days: https://lispcookbook.github.io/cl-cookbook/editor-support.ht...

- https://github.com/CodyReichert/awesome-cl for libraries

- https://www.classcentral.com/report/best-lisp-courses/#ancho...

- a recent overview of the ecosystem: https://lisp-journey.gitlab.io/blog/these-years-in-common-li... (shameless plug, on HN: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34321090)

Q4: the Cookbook should get you straight to the point: build a website, web scraper, DB access, reference of data structures… https://lispcookbook.github.io/cl-cookbook/

It's a good book!

Modern companions would be:

- the Cookbook: https://lispcookbook.github.io/cl-cookbook/ (check out the editors section: Atom/Pulsar, VSCode, Sublime, Jetbrains, Lem...)

- https://github.com/CodyReichert/awesome-cl to find libraries

Also:

- https://stevelosh.com/blog/2018/08/a-road-to-common-lisp/

- https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34321090 2022 in review

https://leanpub.com/lovinglisp -- this one is great, and the first thing I recommend

https://lispcookbook.github.io/cl-cookbook/ -- also great and up to date

https://awesome-cl.com/ -- for anything else.

Little help to boost your videos: https://lispcookbook.github.io/cl-cookbook/ look at the banner. Cheers.

For more beginner-friendly, I suggest P. Siebels Practical Common Lisp or The CL Cookbook. Both of those should be available in Emacs info format! If authors are lurking in here :-)