cl-cookbook VS roswell

> the problem with Lisp is that it's sorta bundled with Emacs

What's the problems with Alive, SLT, Slyblime, and Vlime? I mean, I use Emacs, but I was using Emacs before getting into Scheme and CL anyway.

> Every website that teaches Lisp is in ugly HTML+CSS-only style

I dunno, I feel like the Community Spec (<https://cl-community-spec.github.io/pages/index.html>) and the Cookbook (<https://lispcookbook.github.io/cl-cookbook/>) are fine.

> I like the philosophy of (s-exp) but modern lisps have ruined its simplicity for me by introducing additional bracket notations [like this].

Yes, that additional notation is a terrible blight on the perfection that is S-expressions, I wholeheartedly agree.

check out the editor section, there's more than Emacs these days: https://lispcookbook.github.io/cl-cookbook/editor-support.ht...

- https://github.com/CodyReichert/awesome-cl for libraries

- https://www.classcentral.com/report/best-lisp-courses/#ancho...

- a recent overview of the ecosystem: https://lisp-journey.gitlab.io/blog/these-years-in-common-li... (shameless plug, on HN: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34321090)

Q4: the Cookbook should get you straight to the point: build a website, web scraper, DB access, reference of data structures… https://lispcookbook.github.io/cl-cookbook/

It's a good book!

Modern companions would be:

- the Cookbook: https://lispcookbook.github.io/cl-cookbook/ (check out the editors section: Atom/Pulsar, VSCode, Sublime, Jetbrains, Lem...)

- https://github.com/CodyReichert/awesome-cl to find libraries

Also:

- https://stevelosh.com/blog/2018/08/a-road-to-common-lisp/

- https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34321090 2022 in review

Seems like a nice book. I like that it gets into the fundamental stuff like setq, cond, let, list, cons, etc. quickly enough in the 3rd chapter. In my opinion, the sooner these concepts are introduced in a book, the better.

I have also found from my first hand experience is that a programming language is best learnt by diving straight into it and writing small software that you care about with it.

When I began learning serious computer programming two decades ago, it was pretty much necessary to buy a good book and read as much of the book as possible chapter by chapter. For example, the first programming language book that I read was K&R and I read that cover to cover. It was quite formative in my journey of computer programming. It took me a long time to start writing useful software with the knowledge but when I did begin writing software, I had a pretty thorough knowledge of C.

I have come to realise that these days, it is not uncommon for aspiring programmers to jump straight into developing a software with a programming language determined by requirements. Not everyone had the time to read a book cover to cover. In fact, I myself learnt Python by jumping straight into developing tools that I needed for myself with it.

If someone wants to similarly get started developing tools with Common Lisp these days, I would suggest https://lispcookbook.github.io/cl-cookbook/ . It is a great resource to look up common recipes for common tasks.

https://leanpub.com/lovinglisp -- this one is great, and the first thing I recommend

https://lispcookbook.github.io/cl-cookbook/ -- also great and up to date

https://awesome-cl.com/ -- for anything else.

For more beginner-friendly, I suggest P. Siebels Practical Common Lisp or The CL Cookbook. Both of those should be available in Emacs info format! If authors are lurking in here :-)

the code snippet used for the example is here: https://github.com/LispCookbook/cl-cookbook/pull/472

Lisp Cookbook is a pretty good supplement (to PCL or otherwise). Works well as a reference, and small bits make it easy to digest.

BTW, Roswell makes it easier to run scripts: https://github.com/roswell/roswell/wiki/Roswell-as-a-Scripti...

It is also a tool to install various CL implementations, and to install software.

It doesn't come with a choice of built-in libraries.

You could also be a roswell user, in which case your project might have a roswell directory. Again, you can look at the qlot project for reference.

Clack is a web application environment for Common Lisp inspired by Python's WSGI and Ruby's Rack. Clack provides a script to start a web server. It's useful when you deploy to production environment. You need to install Roswell before as Clack depends on it.

I also noticed how 'ros build' is really slow and opened a GitHub issue on the roswell repository here: https://github.com/roswell/roswell/issues/477 (at least on my system)

Common Lisp itself has Roswell, which I am disappointed to see is not even mentioned in the article.

https://github.com/roswell/roswell

w.r.t to image size, ScriptL takes care of that since everything is in the same image. You could also use something like buildapp or cl-launch to make a multi-call binary that you compile your scripts into. I think I recall roswell allowing multiple entry points too, but I never could get it to work. Possibly PEBKAC on my end.