gevent VS Numba

A sub-question for the folks here: is anyone using the combination of gevent and PyPy for a production application? Or, more generally, other libraries that do deep monkey-patching across the Python standard library?

Things like https://github.com/gevent/gevent/issues/676 and the fix at https://github.com/gevent/gevent/commit/f466ec51ea74755c5bee... indicate to me that there are subtleties on how PyPy's memory management interacts with low-level tweaks like gevent that have relied on often-implicit historical assumptions about memory management timing.

Not sure if this is limited to gevent, either - other libraries like Sentry, NewRelic, and OpenTelemetry also have low-level monkey-patched hooks, and it's unclear whether they're low-level enough that they might run into similar issues.

For a stack without any monkey-patching I'd be overjoyed to use PyPy - but between gevent and these monitoring tools, practically every project needs at least some monkey-patching, and I think that there's a lack of clarity on how battle-tested PyPy is with tools like these.

I'm not sure how much it replicates the CSP model, but the closest thing I've found to Go-style concurrency in Python is gevent: https://github.com/gevent/gevent

I personally still prefer to use it in all my projects.

Greenlet seems to have some troubles compiling with Python 3.9. https://github.com/gevent/gevent/issues/1627

Around the same time, I discovered Numba and was fascinated by how easily it could bring huge performance improvements to Python code.

Simulations are, at least in my experience, numba’s [0] wheelhouse.

[0]: https://numba.pydata.org/

That's very cool. Numba introduces just-in-time compilation to Python via decorators and its sole reason for being is to turn everything it can into abstract syntax trees.

A super-fast backtesting engine built in NumPy and accelerated with Numba.

Regarding speed, I don't agree this is a good argument against Python. For example, it seems no one here has yet mentioned numba, a Python JIT compiler. With a simple decorator you can compile a function to machine code with speeds on par with C. Numba also allows you to easily write cuda kernels for GPU computation. I've never had to drop down to writing C or C++ to write fast and performant Python code that does computationally demanding tasks thanks to numba.

Just for reference,

* Nuitka[0] "is a Python compiler written in Python. It's fully compatible with Python 2.6, 2.7, 3.4, 3.5, 3.6, 3.7, 3.8, 3.9, 3.10, and 3.11."

* Pypy[1] "is a replacement for CPython" with builtin optimizations such as on the fly JIT compiles.

* Cython[2] "is an optimising static compiler for both the Python programming language and the extended Cython programming language... makes writing C extensions for Python as easy as Python itself."

* Numba[3] "is an open source JIT compiler that translates a subset of Python and NumPy code into fast machine code."

* Pyston[4] "is a performance-optimizing JIT for Python, and is drop-in compatible with ... CPython 3.8.12"

[0] https://github.com/Nuitka/Nuitka

[1] https://www.pypy.org/

[2] https://cython.org/

[3] https://numba.pydata.org/

[4] https://github.com/pyston/pyston

For the benefit of future readers: https://numba.pydata.org/

Taichi (similar to numba) is a python library that allows you to write high speed code within python. So your program consists of slow python that gets interpreted regularly, and fast python (fully type annotated and restricted to a subset of the language) that gets parallellized and jitted for CPU or GPU. And you can mix the two within the same source file.