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Tree-shaking, the horticulturally misguided algorithm
I don't think that's a very good goal. Jettisoning the DOM means jettisoning accessibility and being able to leverage everything that the browser gives you out-of-the-box. You have to render to a canvas and build everything from scratch. I think Wasm is great for supplementing a JS app, not replacing it (e.g. using a Wasm module to do some calculations in a Worker). I like to use the right tool for the job, and trying to use something other than JS to build a web app just seems a little janky to me.
At one point, there was a Host Bindings proposal that would enable you to do DOM manipulation (it looks like it was archived and moved to the Component Model spec [1]). That would probably be the ideal way to avoid as much JS as possible. However, browser vendors have been heavily optimizing their JS runtimes, and in some cases, Wasm may actually be slower than JS.
I've been following Wasm's progress for several years, which has been slow, but steady. Ironically, I think the web is actually the worst place to use it. There's so much cool non-web stuff being done with it and I'm more interested to see where that goes.
[1] https://github.com/WebAssembly/component-model?tab=readme-ov...
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3D and 2D: Testing out my cross-platform graphics engine
Well the great thing about WebAssembly is that you can port QT or anything else to be at a layer below -- thanks to WebAssembly Interface Types[0] and the Component Model specification that works underneath that.
To over-simplify, the Component Model manages language interop, and WIT constrains the boundaries with interfaces.
IMO the problem here is defining a 90% solution for most window, tab, button, etc management, then building embeddings in QT, Flutter/Skia, and other lower level engines. Getting a good cross-platform way of doing data passing, triggering re-renders, serializing window state is probably the meat of the interesting work.
On top of that, you really need great UX. This is normally where projects fall short -- why should I use this solution instead of something like Tauri[2] which is excellent or Electron?
[0]: https://github.com/WebAssembly/component-model/blob/main/des...
[1]: https://github.com/WebAssembly/component-model/blob/main/des...
[2]: https://tauri.app/
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Missing the Point of WebAssembly
While I don't necessarily agree with the unnecessary, unsupported casual, & cheap contempt culture here ("unshackle the web from the mess that is JavaScript", "places that don't really need these problems to be solved")...
WebAssembly component-model is being developed to allow referring to and passing complex objects between different modules and the outside world, by establishing WebAssembly Interface Types (WIT). It's basically a ABI layer for wasm. This is a pre-requisite for host-object bridging, bringing in things like DOM elements.
Long running effort, but it's hard work and there's just not that many hands available for this deep work. Some assorted links with more: https://github.com/WebAssembly/component-model https://www.fermyon.com/blog/webassembly-component-model https://thenewstack.io/can-webassembly-get-its-act-together-...
It's just hard work, it's happening. And I think the advantages Andy talks to here illuminate very real reasons why this tech can be useful broadly. The ability to have plugins to a system that can be safely sandboxed is a huge win. That it's in any language allows much wider ecosystem of interests to participate, versus everyone interested in extending your work also having to be a java or c++ or rust developer.
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Steel – An embedded scheme interpreter in Rust
A. Sure, but it isn't sufficiently beneficial for the cost.
B. WebAssembly is immature for developing a plugin system because of the lack of a sufficient ABI: https://github.com/WebAssembly/component-model
C. There aren't any other languages that meet the criteria. Lua was a no-go from the start. The maintainers did not like the language, and it necessitated adding more C code to Helix which could complicate building even further. https://github.com/helix-editor/helix/discussions/3806#discu...
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Bring garbage collected programming languages efficiently to WebAssembly
AFAIK GC is irrelevant for "direct DOM access", you would rather want to hop into the following rabbit hole:
- reference types: https://github.com/WebAssembly/reference-types/blob/master/p...
- interface types (inactive): https://github.com/WebAssembly/interface-types/blob/main/pro...
- component model: https://github.com/WebAssembly/component-model
If this looks like a mess, that's because it is. Compared to that, the current solution to go through a Javascript shim doesn't look too bad IMHO.
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Rust Is Surging Ahead in WebAssembly (For Now)
The wasm idl (called WIT) is actively being worked on here: https://github.com/WebAssembly/component-model/blob/main/des...
Being able to access DOM is definitely an objective. It's just taking a lot longer than folks guessed to build a modular wasm ABI.
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Reaching the Unix Philosophy's Logical Extreme with WebAssembly
The WASM Component Model
https://github.com/WebAssembly/component-model
- WASI: WebAssembly System Interface
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Introducing - Wasmer Runtime 4.0
Take a look at the python abi to see what the structure looks like for calling into components https://github.com/WebAssembly/component-model/tree/main/design/mvp/canonical-abi
- How WebAssembly Is Eating the Database
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- FLaNK Stack Weekly 09 Oct 2023
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Show HN: Ambient, a multiplayer game engine and platform using WASM/WebGPU/Rust
Hi, this is Kuba from Ambient team, I work on Ambient backend.
The servers in question are part of the main Ambient application [0]. The server part is open-source just like the rest of the engine. You can start your own server using native build of Ambient (check cli help for `ambient serve`).
As for the orchestration and creating servers on demand, we are using Kubernetes and Agones [1]. Both of them are open too. We just have a thin API server that receives requests that a server is needed, checks if there's already one running and if not it uses Agones to allocate one.
[0]: https://github.com/AmbientRun/Ambient
- How do I run multiple "game rooms" in Bevy / Renet / Rapier on the server?
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Bevy and WebGPU
Intriguing development! It's quite refreshing to witness Bevy hopping onto the WebGPU bandwagon. I can't help but wonder about the complexity involved in transitioning an existing codebase from WebGL to WebGPU in such a compressed timeline.
On a similar note, Ambient (https://github.com/AmbientRun/Ambient) has been on my radar for their utilization of WebGPU, though they seemingly lack a tangible web demo. Anyone have any insights or comparisons to share?
- Ambient 0.2 – Multiplayer games and apps with Rust, WebAssembly and WebGPU
- Ambient – The Rust Multiplayer Game Engine Releases 0.2
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Ambient 0.2: multiplayer UI, sound, clientside WASM, and more
- Finally, our UI framework, Ambient UI, can now be used from guest code. Combined with our networking and ECS, this unlocks an exciting new capability: multiplayer UI!
In the blog post, we walk through the creation of a basic multiplayer beat sequencer using these features. We're excited to see what else the community can cook up :)
- Download: <https://github.com/AmbientRun/Ambient/releases/tag/v0.2.0>
Download: https://github.com/AmbientRun/Ambient/releases/tag/v0.2.0
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Does anyone here work in gamedev with Rust as their primary language?
I work on Ambient, an open-source platform for streamed[1] multiplayer games written entirely in Rust. We're a Swedish startup that supports remote and we're hiring for self-starters - if you think you can flourish in a startup environment, feel free to apply!
What are some alternatives?
wit-bindgen - A language binding generator for WebAssembly interface types
jpeg2000-decoder - Decodes JPEG 2000 images in a subprocess, for safety
bartholomew - The Micro-CMS for WebAssembly and Spin
ui-mock
spin - Spin is the open source developer tool for building and running serverless applications powered by WebAssembly.
renet - Server/Client network library for multiplayer games with authentication and connection management made with Rust
wasmer - 🚀 The leading Wasm Runtime supporting WASIX, WASI and Emscripten
bevy - A refreshingly simple data-driven game engine built in Rust
spec - WebAssembly specification, reference interpreter, and test suite.
wgpu - Cross-platform, safe, pure-rust graphics api.
proposals - Tracking WebAssembly proposals
openjpeg - Official repository of the OpenJPEG project