webviz VS FrameworkBenchmarks

For the web based part, in terms of integration with ROS RobotWebTools (especially with RoslibJS) and rosbridge cover already a lot, so maybe you may want to first check what's available there. Webviz is also a great web based tools with many components for visualisation.

Hey HN, one of the creators here! I made it at Cruise because it was super painful to develop https://webviz.io with manual memory management (lots of ArrayBuffers), WebWorkers, etc. I thought that there must be a better way.

Very curious to hear stories from other folks building intensive stuff in the browser. How are you dealing with performance issues in Javascript? Have you tried using Rust or C++ with WebAssembly for parts of your apps? How did you make 2d/3d rendering faster? Would you want to use something like Zaplib?

Webviz is a great tool. Just drag the .bag file onto the browser window and you can start viewing the data.

Webviz is actually open source for the most part. https://webviz.io

U can try https://webviz.io/ or https://foxglove.dev/

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Cruise is building the world’s most advanced, self-driving vehicles to safely connect people to the places, things, and experiences they care about. We believe self-driving vehicles will help save lives, reshape cities, give back time in transit, and restore freedom of movement for many.

I'm an engineering manager hiring specifically for the Webviz (http://webviz.io/) team. I'm looking for frontend engineers who want to make fast, beautiful browser-based visualizations of the car using WebGL, WASM and Javascript.

Much of the work that we do on this team is open-sourced (check out the code at https://github.com/cruise-automation/webviz). Cruise vehicles produce mountains of data; we have to visualize it in dozens of different ways at a high frame rate. We recently built a Javascript object proxy that wraps all of our input binary data in an object-like interface that only parses data on access, so that we can limit garbage collection pressure and improve our frame rate. If this kind of project sounds interesting, you might enjoy working on Webviz!

Reach out directly to me if you're interested in the above (open to associate/senior/staff levels), or if you have any questions about Cruise.

PS - for those of you who have seen or used Webviz, Foxglove may look familiar. Some of our team previously worked on Webviz at Cruise, and we reused much of their code, although it has been heavily refactored, several new features added, and we have more coming soon.

Neat. Thanks for sharing!

Interestingly, may-minihttp is faring very well in the TechEmpower benchmark [1], for whatever those benchmarks are worth. The code is also surprisingly straightforward [2].

[1] https://www.techempower.com/benchmarks/

[2] https://github.com/TechEmpower/FrameworkBenchmarks/blob/mast...

ntex was formed after a schism in actix-web and Rust safety/unsafety, with ntex allowing more unsafe code for better performance.

ntex is at the top of the TechEmpower benchmarks, although those benchmarks are not apples-to-apples since each uses its own tricks: https://www.techempower.com/benchmarks/#hw=ph&test=fortune&s...

Ruby is slow. Very slow. How much you may ask? https://www.techempower.com/benchmarks/#hw=ph&test=fortune&s... fastest Ruby entry is at 272th place. Sure, top entries tend to have questionable benchmark-golfing implementations, but it gives you a good primer on the overhead imposed by Ruby.

It is also not early 00s anymore, when you pick an interpreted language, you are not getting "better productivity and tooling". In fact, most interpreted languages lag behind other major languages significantly in the form of JS/TS, Python and Ruby suffering from different woes when it comes to package management and publishing. I would say only TS/JS manages to stand apart with being tolerable, and Python sometimes too by a virtue of its popularity and the amount of information out there whenever you need to troubleshoot.

If you liked Go but felt it being a too verbose to your liking, give .NET a try. I am advocating for it here on HN mostly for fun but it is, in fact, highly underappreciated, considered unsexy and boring while it's anything but after a complete change of trajectory in the last 3-5 years. It is actually the* stack people secretly want but simply don't know about because it is bundled together with Java in the public perception.

*productive CLI tooling, high performance, works well in a really wide range of workloads from low to high level, by far the best ORM across all languages and back-end framework that is easier to work with than Node.JS while consuming 0.1x resources

Although that seems to have improved in recent years.

https://www.techempower.com/benchmarks/#hw=ph&test=json§...

RoR and whatever C++ based web backend there is count as a valid comparison in my book. But comparing the languages itself is maybe a bit off.

On a side note, you can actually compare their performance here if you’re really curious. But take it with a grain of salt since these are synthetic benchmarks.

https://www.techempower.com/benchmarks

Most benchmarks you'll find essentially have someone's thumb on the scale (intentionally or unintentionally). Most people won't know the different languages well enough to create comparable implementations and if you let different people create the implementations, cheating happens. The TechEmpower benchmarks aren't bad, but many implementations put their thumb on the scale (https://www.techempower.com/benchmarks). For example, a lot of the Go implementations avoid the GC by pre-allocating/reusing structs or allocate arrays knowing how big they need to be in advance (despite that being against the rules). At some point, it becomes "how many features have you turned off." Some Go http routers (like fasthttp and those built off it like Atreugo and Fiber) aren't actually correct and a lot of people in the Go community discourage their use, but they certainly top the benchmarks. Gin and Echo are usually the ones that are well-respected in the Go community.

There is certainly a lot of speculation in Techempower benchmarks and top entries can utilize questionable techniques like simply writing a byte array literal to output stream instead of constructing a response, or (in the past) DB query coalescing to work around inherent limitations of the DB in case of Fortunes or DB quries.

And yet, the fastest Ruby entry is at 274th place while Rails is at 427th.

https://www.techempower.com/benchmarks/#hw=ph&test=fortune&s...

oh what machine? with how many workers? doing what?

search for "node" on this page: https://www.techempower.com/benchmarks/#section=data-r21

JustJS would like a word https://www.techempower.com/benchmarks/#section=data-r20&tes...

In terms of RPS, this web service is more-or-less the fortunes benchmark in the techempower benchmarks, once the data hits the cache: https://www.techempower.com/benchmarks/#section=data-r21

Or, at least, they would be after applying optimizations to them.

In short, both of these would serve more rps than you will likely ever need on even the lowest end virtual machines. The underlying API provider will probably cut you off from querying them before you run out of RPS.