torchtyping VS marshal.ts

Not really an answer to your question, but there are Python packages that try to solve the problem of tensor shapes that you mentioned, e.g. https://github.com/patrick-kidger/torchtyping or https://github.com/deepmind/tensor_annotations

I disagree. I've had a serious attempt at array typing using variadic generics and I'm not impressed. Python's type system has numerous issues... and now they just apply to any "ArrayWithNDimensions" type as well as any "ArrayWith2Dimenensions" type.

Variadic protocols don't exist; many operations like stacking are inexpressible; the synatx is awful and verbose; etc. etc.

I've written more about this here as part of my TorchTyping project: [0]

[0] https://github.com/patrick-kidger/torchtyping/issues/37#issu...

also https://github.com/patrick-kidger/torchtyping

FWIW I'm the author of torchtyping so happy to answer any questions about that. :) I think people are using it!

The one thing I really *really* wish got more attention was named tensors and the tensor type system. Tensor misalignment errors are a constant source of silently-failing bugs. While 3rd party libraries have attempted to fill this gap, it really needs better native support. In particular it seems like bad form to me for programmers to have to remember the specific alignment and broadcasting rules, and then have to apply them to an often poorly documented order of tensor indices. I'd really like to see something like tsalib's warp operator made part of the main library and generalized to arbitrary function application, like a named-tensor version of fold. But preferably using notation closer to that of torchtyping.

Yes it does work with numerical literals! It support using integers to specify an absolute size, strings to specify names for dimensions that should all be consistently sized (and optionally also checks named tensors), "..." to indicate batch dimensions, and so on. See the full list here.

zod or yup gets you quite a bit of the way there in practice - when you would reach for a Typescript type, making it in zod instead is more verbose but gives that runtime layer.

But for those who actually want full-stack non-stripped runtime type reflection based on Typescript syntax alone... https://deepkit.io/ - https://deepkit.io/blog/introducing-deepkit-framework - is a really promising and cool project.

It patches the typescript compiler (which pointedly considers runtime type information out of scope) with its own type compiler that emits a bespoke bytecode that is executed in a bespoke VM to communicate runtime type information to both server and client as needed. https://docs.deepkit.io/english/runtime-types.html

And from that baseline, there are very cool things you can do like an ORM entirely based on type annotations https://docs.deepkit.io/english/database.html or strongly-typed RPCs https://docs.deepkit.io/english/rpc.html .

It's very much in the alpha stage, but it's really well thought out - there's a tremendous degree of care the developer is taking towards code cleanliness and developer experience. I'm torn between wishing this project to have a fully funded team and take the world by storm, vs. "letting them cook" so to speak and seeing the developer experience unfold organically. Either way, it's a breath of fresh air into the Typescript ecosystem!

Deepkit (listed in the article) is a fascinating project and really deserves to be more popular.

It also demonstrates that what is being asked for is actually practical.

https://deepkit.io/

Checkout deepkit One of the things it has is a really fast BSON parser, that is faster than the JSON one to my understanding. Interesting work with TS types too

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Take a look at restfuncs then. Or deepkit or telefunc.

Both work out of the box very well with Deepkit. You can either construct your own types in runtime or mix TS types with runtime information. See for example https://github.com/deepkit/deepkit-framework/blob/master/packages/framework/src/crud.ts where this is done

Yes, you can directly use the interfaces and types as is with Deepkit (https://deepkit.io) and the library deepkit-openapi. You get also full route documentation if you use the deepkit/http router where you can use interfaces and type aliases plus validation thpes for route parameters (query parameters, body, etc). It still in alpha, but approaches soon beta.

https://deepkit.io/ may be of interest to you! It deeply patches the TS type compiler to make all types visible at runtime, enabling a lot of annotation-style workflows and dependency injection possible completely within the type annotation system: https://docs.deepkit.io/english/runtime-types.html

Previous discussion: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31663298 - it's downright mindblowing that all this seems to be the work of primarily a single developer.

For a less intrusive solution, https://github.com/jquense/yup is a great library to reach for whenever you're defining the shape of a network-transmitted object and don't want to introduce compilation stages.