str0m VS ffmpeg

In the video, Mo talked about a few packages like Cidre and StrOm, and we referred to SpaceDrive.

- Dropbox [3] uses a similar approach but they talk about it a bit more abstractly.

Sans-IO is more documented in Python [4], but str0m [5] and quinn-proto [6] are the best examples in Rust I’m aware of. Note that sans-IO is orthogonal to deterministic test frameworks, but it composes well with them.

With the disclaimer that my opinions are mine and mine alone, and don’t reflect the company I work at —— I do work at a rust shop that has utilized these techniques on some projects.

TigerBeetle is an amazing example and I’ve looked at it before! They are really the best example of this approach outside of FoundationDB I think.

[0]: https://risingwave.com/blog/deterministic-simulation-a-new-e...

[1]: https://risingwave.com/blog/applying-deterministic-simulatio...

[2]: https://dropbox.tech/infrastructure/-testing-our-new-sync-en...

[3]: https://github.com/spacejam/sled

[4]: https://fractalideas.com/blog/sans-io-when-rubber-meets-road...

[5]: https://github.com/algesten/str0m

[6]: https://docs.rs/quinn-proto/0.10.6/quinn_proto/struct.Connec...

I am really excited about https://github.com/sepfy/libpeer. It has examples ready for ESP32 etc....

When working on KVS I wasn't familiar with the embedded space at all. I saw 'heavyweight' embedded where you were running on Linux. Then you had RTOS/No OS at all. I wasn't prepared for these devices at all. If we can make WebRTC work in the embedded space I think it will really accelerate what developers are able to build!

Remotely driven cars, security cameras, robots in hospitals that bring iPads to infectious patients etc... Creative people are building amazing things. The WebRTC/video space needs to work harder and support them :)

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I love how diverse the WebRTC space is now. Outside of this implementation you have plenty of other options!

* https://github.com/shinyoshiaki/werift-webrtc (Typescript)

* https://github.com/pion/webrtc (Golang)

* https://github.com/webrtc-rs/webrtc (Rust)

* https://github.com/algesten/str0m (Rust)

* hhttps://github.com/sepfy/libpeer (C/Embedded)

* https://webrtc.googlesource.com/src/ (C++)

* https://github.com/sipsorcery-org/sipsorcery (C#)

* https://github.com/paullouisageneau/libdatachannel (C++)

* https://github.com/elixir-webrtc (Elixir)

* https://github.com/aiortc/aiortc (Python)

* GStreamer’s webrtcbin (C)

See https://github.com/sipsorcery/webrtc-echoes for examples of some running against each other.

Find it here: crates.io/crates/str0m Code here: github.com/algesten/str0m Docs here: docs.rs/str0m/0.1.0/str0m/

Git: https://github.com/algesten/str0m

And furthermore, C and C++ code can participate in the Zig package ecosystem. For example, here is ffmpeg packaged for consumption by a Zig project:

https://github.com/andrewrk/ffmpeg

Why not use a system package? Well, because the user's system might not have such a package. They might be on Windows, for example. Or their package might be out of date. [Or the system might have chosen sides in a nasty fork war](http://blog.pkh.me/p/13-the-ffmpeg-libav-situation.html).

So, while system packages are nice for end users, they might not always satisfy the needs of upstream application developers.

It's a bit more nuanced than that, as detailed by AndyKelley (andrewrk@) on github[1].

As I understand it, C/C++ interop and support in the build system is not going away; instead it might be accomplished via a separately maintained clang package. (Aside: for an example of this kind of thing can work, see ffmpeg[2] converted to use the Zig build system which pulls in nasm[3] as a Zig package; presumably the clang solution would be a bit more integrated than that, but it serves to show that it can be done).

Zig will still support compilation using LLVM, but instead of directly linking to LLVM and using LLVM's IRBuilder API, it will directly output LLVM bitcode instead[4]. The build system will then handle linking this into an executable.

The idea seems to be to reduce dependencies of the main executable, while keeping the build system flexible enough that it does not impact existing use cases.

I'm not affiliated with the Zig project in anyway, so my understanding of this may be off. I'd recommend reading the GH issues and comments I've linked below to get a better idea of it.

[1]: https://github.com/ziglang/zig/issues/16270#issuecomment-161...

[2]: https://github.com/andrewrk/ffmpeg

[3]: https://github.com/andrewrk/nasm

[4]: https://github.com/ziglang/zig/issues/13265

I am not entirely sure with were you are going with this comment but FYI here is an ffmpeg fork with the build system replaced with a "build.zig" file and the Zig build environment: https://github.com/andrewrk/ffmpeg

If you want to see a fun example of this build system in action, have a look at my ffmpeg fork which has the build system ported to zig build:

https://github.com/andrewrk/ffmpeg

Particularly interesting is the use of nasm as a package dependency, which is executed to compile many assembly files into object files, then linked into the ffmpeg static library.

I'm using this package in a work-in-progress reboot of Groove Basin (a music player server) in Zig:

https://github.com/andrewrk/groovebasin/tree/zig-pkg

Point being that if you want to collaborate on the music player project, you don't need to screw around with a million system dependencies, it's just `zig build` and you're off to the races - no matter whether you are using Windows, macOS, or Linux.

The zig build system is under heavy construction during this release cycle of Zig. I recommend to check it out at the end of May when Zig 0.11.0 is released, and a few more issues will be smoothed over. Of course, if you want to get your hands dirty and help work on a bleeding-edge build system & package manager, come on over and give master branch a try.