slimv VS clog

I use Vim with slimv, and have for years.

Maybe you should stick to one new thing at a time. Vim is more than capable of handling Common Lisp. Look at Slimv and Vlime for vim-style SLIME. Focus on CL first. You can come back to Doom / Emacs later.

Neovim works just fine. I use Neoterm to send-to-repl, here's what my config looks like. Your other options include vlime and slimv. I switched to neoterm because it's simple, explicit, and doesn't create unpredictable windows. Works for any other language just as well.

https://GitHub.com/jpalardy/vim-slime is a terrible SLIME to be honest! It is not even a SLIME. It just This does not look like SLIME. It just copies text from one text buffer and paste it to another Vim buffer which is probably running a REPL. "Probably" because who knows what the target buffer is running. vim-slime does not care. This is not Superior Lisp Interaction Mode for $EDITOR (SLIME) in any way.

vim-slime does not connect to any Swank server. It does not understanding Lisp s-expressions. It would happily copy any random text into any random REPL and call it job done! Lisp interaction mode is much much more than just copying and pasting text around. A superior lisp interaction mode gives you live debugging, handling conditions, inspecting variables, navigating the stack frames, ... Vim-slime cannot do anything like this because, well, it just copy-pastes stuff around. Vim-slime is a disingenious and misleading name for a project that is not SLIME.

If you really want to use Vim, do yourself a favor and use https://github.com/kovisoft/slimv and experience a true Lisp interaction mode.

Join me vim brother and don't settle for forcing yourself to use emacs while developing in CL when you don't have to! You even have two vim options! https://github.com/kovisoft/slimv and https://github.com/vlime/vlime with a great comparison of the two: https://susam.net/blog/lisp-in-vim.html

I've seen SLIMV recommended as a SLIME alternative for Vim. Like SLIME, SLIMV is a SWANK client.

I found Vlime to be more updated than slimv and give a smoother experience. With time I've switched to bare neoterm which I highly recommend. CL and lisps in general are designed with a text repl in mind, so this is the method that is guaranteed to work on every obscure CL distribution, and also transfer well to any other REPL-based languages.

If you are already familiar with vim you may want to use slimv

You need Parinfer. Several versions are available for Vim. It's easier to learn than Paredit and works better with Vim-style editing anyway. Lisp emphasizes interactivity with the REPL. It helps if you can send forms you're editing to the REPL for testing. Try something like slimv.

Reminds me of the approach of CLOG (Common Lisp Omnificent Gui[1]) and its ancestor GNOGA (The GNU Omnificent GUI for Ada[2]).

They also integrate basic components and even graphical UI editor (at least for CLOG), so you can essentially develop the whole thing from inside CL or Ada

[1] https://github.com/rabbibotton/clog

[2] https://github.com/alire-project/gnoga

For me David Botton [0] with his work including code, support and videos is doing very nice work in this direction.

I use SBCL for everything but work because I cannot get; we are getting there, but like you say, it’s such a nice experience working interactively building fast that it is magic and it’s painful returning to my daily work of Python and typescript/react. It feels like a waste of time/life, really.

[0] https://github.com/rabbibotton/clog

I was following along on the Windows page and didn't check back on the main README to see if any of the other instructions would help.

It the answer is "latter", then you could look at Common Lisp and Reblocks (https://40ants.com/reblocks/) or CLOG (https://github.com/rabbibotton/clog).

I haven't used Clojure professionally in 10 years so with a grain of salt here are my thoughts as only one other person answered...

CL over Clojure: it's the OG Lisp that the creator of Clojure used and wanted to continue using but faced too much resistance from management afraid of anything not-Java/not-Oracle, or not-CLR/not-Microsoft, etc. Clojure shipped originally as "just another jar" so devs could "sneak" it in. If you don't have such a management restriction, why Clojure? If you want to integrate CL with the JVM, you can use the ABCL implementation, there's also something from one of the proprietary Lisps. Some useful CL features that are nice in this domain: conditions and restarts mentioned in a sibling comment (very nice to help interactively develop/debug e.g. a selenium webdriver test), ability to easily compile an exe (perhaps useful for microservices, or just to keep your deployment environment clean and not having to care about Lisp), and ability to easily ship with an open local socket allowing you to SSH in (or SSH port forward) and debug/fix/poke around in production (JVM of course lets you attach debuggers to a running process, even certain billion+ dollar companies will have supervised/limited prod debugging sessions for various hairy cases, but it's not as interactive). You should never hear CL advocates claim you can't scale to large teams/groups of engineers or large multi-million-lines sized projects, though you might oddly hear Clojure advocates sometimes claim you can't (and shouldn't) scale to such large projects -- large groups of engineers are a non-issue for them as well though, the challenge is in hiring, not in the language somehow making it impossible to modularize and keep people from stepping on each other.

Clojure over CL: its integration with the JVM is nicer than ABCL's, so if you do actually want a lot of the great world of Java stuff, it's easier to get at. Database integration libraries are better. Access to libs (Clojure or Java) is via Maven, so it's a larger ecosystem with more self-integrating components (especially around monitoring/metrics) than what's available for Lisp via Quicklisp. Clojure is very opinionated, much of it quite tasteful, and that gives the whole ecosystem a certain consistency. (You can have immutable data structures in CL, you can if you want use [] for literal vectors and make them syntactically important e.g. in let bindings, but not everyone will be on board.) Even though its popularity seems to have stopped growing, at least at the same rate as e.g. Go which it was keeping pace with for a while, it's still popular enough with a bigger community; as a proxy measure there are multiple conferences around the world and good talks at adjacent conferences, whereas Lisp mostly just has one conference in Europe per year and only occasional branching outside of that.

If you're doing a client-side-heavy webapp, ClojureScript is still amazing, CL's answers there aren't very compelling with the exception of CLOG (https://github.com/rabbibotton/clog) which takes an entirely different direction than the usual idea of translating/running Lisp on top of JavaScript and its popular frameworks.