python-build-standalone VS rust-overlay

It also replaces "just" as a task manager for me which is very pleasant.

The fact that the python plugin uses precompiled Python binaries by default instead of building them from source remove common issues I had with the asdf's python plugin at work with missing dependencies.

Just so you know, I encountered two little quirks that needed a fix:

- [Backspace Key Doesn't work in Python REPL](https://github.com/indygreg/python-build-standalone/blob/mai...)

These builds are an alternative: https://github.com/indygreg/python-build-standalone

Those are what Rye and hatch use.

Drawbacks: late availability of patch versions, various quirks from how they are built (missing readline, missing some build info that self-compiled C python modules might need.)

Bundling Python isn't too bad if you find the right tools for it.

I really like https://github.com/indygreg/python-build-standalone and https://github.com/indygreg/PyOxidizer

A bundled, built standalone Python can be 16 to 32MB (including the full standard library, which you can strip down to just the bits you use to save size). Not tiny, but probably not worth switching programming languages over.

I'm trying to build a "portable" Python package based on those available from https://github.com/indygreg/python-build-standalone/releases.

I'm a huge fan of https://github.com/indygreg/python-build-standalone which provides Python builds that CAN be moved around and work independently of any other Python installation.

I used that for my own Python+Electron app, which I wrote about here: https://til.simonwillison.net/electron/python-inside-electro...

I used to build my own Pythons that are the same everywhere, now I use indygreg's Python builds. Rye will automatically download and manage Python builds from there. No compiling, no divergence.

One interesting tidbit is that it completely ignores your system Python installations, and instead uses precompiled installations of Python by indygreg from PyOxidizer. This means you don't have to deal with installing Python. It just auto downloads the right builds.

wget https://github.com/indygreg/python-build-standalone/releases/download/20220630/cpython-3.10.5+20220630-x86_64_v3-unknown-linux-gnu-install_only.tar.gz -O - | tar -xz && mv python PortablePython

The lack of Ruby support instantly rings an alarm for me because CPython (on POSIX) also is not relocatable, but is listed as support. Turns pit Hermit is actually using a third-party build script[1] instead of the official one. While the python-build-standalone project is quite awesome and indeed is useful for a lot of things, it has enough quirks I would recommend against any generic package distributor to advertise as Python for general use. This in turn makes me lose most confidence on Hermit, unfortunately.

Be careful if you’re also interested in Hermit. These kinds of things bit you up way down the road when you least expect them to.

[1] https://github.com/indygreg/python-build-standalone

If you really want to be sure, you can download an install_only standalone Python build from https://github.com/indygreg/python-build-standalone/releases and install the libraries with the included pip. Then just tar it again to archive it, and use the included python to run your project. The downloaded wheel you get with pip wheel may depend on the Python version so you just save the wheels you must make sure the Python point version is exactly the same.

I'm trying to understand overlays in order to make a proper rustup install (I've read that this overlay is the best way to go).

real-world example: https://github.com/oxalica/rust-overlay/blob/master/flake.nix

In this language context specifically, if one wanted to manage their workspace with Nix I would reach for Riff and/or oxalica/rust-overlay first, since they are deliberately more aware of Rust-specific nuance. In the latter's case it has compatibility paths with rustup-toolchain files as well, for allowing your peers who can't or won't adopt Nix to continue to feel like first-class participants in the project. Another alternative I don't have experience with would be nix-community/fenix.

p.s. I'm not sure if it's mentioned much of anywhere, but it'd be neat if there was a way to figure out the appropriate cargo from a rust-toolchain/rust-toolchain.toml if present, ala https://github.com/oxalica/rust-overlay. Funnily enough 95% of my development time is in Rust, but I don't actually have it installed globally, fun times being a NixOS user. I'd definitely make the argument that cargo is an external dependency!

Many of us have moved to https://github.com/oxalica/rust-overlay over Mozilla's overlay.

We added rust-overlay, so we can easily specify different rust versions without relying on nixpkgs to give us what ever rust version in there.

If it's Rust, you can use https://github.com/oxalica/rust-overlay to get any version you want very easily without pinning an instance of nixpkgs just for it.

asdf does not allow you to keep three different versions of the same language, so I'm not sure how that compares? It's not super-trivial to do in Nix, but at least you can do it.

asdf is also no different than Nix when it comes to minor/major versions. You're at the mercy of what the plugin does, other than that you have to create your own plugin from scratch or make a fork. Nix has the option to patch things up more easily at least.

How does this compare to https://github.com/oxalica/rust-overlay/ ? Can fenix ingest a rust-toolchain file and provide packages from it?

Can you say a bit about how this compares to oxalica’s rust overlay?

I frequently try to do something, say use (from the README of rust overlay):