postgres VS TypeORM

I want to use this as a chance to bring attention to a GitHub issue that I think would help reduce friction for Neon:

https://github.com/neondatabase/neon/issues/4989

If the Neon driver were to allow us to easily pass in a localhost connection, the development and test experience would be easier. Perhaps Neon could swap to something like this internally: https://github.com/porsager/postgres.

Having run a local dev environment connected to Neon and tests connected to Neon got in our way of adoption. We'd prefer to develop and run tests against a regular Postgres localhost database.

To the PMs of Neon, put yourself in the shoes of a new developer thinking of giving Neon a try. What changes will I have to make to my code and my development workflow?

I'd push you to consider using postgres, slonik or similar for database queries. With these libraries, you just write SQL, but they perform input sanitization for you. So you can safely write:

Thanks Pier! Your comment saved me some frustration here :-D

https://github.com/porsager/postgres/discussions/627#discuss...

There's a core client interface here:

- https://www.postgresql.org/docs/current/client-interfaces.ht...

On what makes it postgres.js faster, from author himself:

> it seems Postgres.js is actually faster than, not only pg, but of any driver out-there

- https://github.com/porsager/postgres/discussions/627

- https://porsager.github.io/imdbench/sql.html

When viewed as a DSL for set theory, views, CTEs, set-returning functions, et al are indeed proper first-class query abstractions.

When viewed through the lens of general purpose imperative or functional programming languages, it's easy to see how it can be seen as falling short.

I'll admit much of the tooling and driver APIs leave a lot to be desired.

Some tools do make good efforts though such as nested fragments in this driver.

https://github.com/porsager/postgres#building-queries

I don't think this should turn in to an ORM or not debate, but there are plenty of reasons, especially for the crowd that would do anything to avoid ORMs. Just try to take a peek into the multitude of "ORMs are bad" articles / discussions.

For instance - I would love to be able to use https://github.com/porsager/postgres with sqlite.

Demonstrate how easily and accidentally one can make an SQL injection with these:

https://github.com/porsager/postgres

https://github.com/gajus/slonik

They've looked at Postgres.js (https://github.com/porsager/postgres) before — wouldn't mind if they enabled those other cases in the same way.

If you use Sequalize, TypeORM or for MongoDB, we have Mongoose these types of ORM tools, then you are safe by default because these help us against the SQL query injection attacks by default.

We decided to use MySQL for a database. and TypeOrm for ORM. The ER diagram is provided below. For example, the task_assignments table holds information about user assignments to tasks. While in DDD, there is a pattern to design denormalized tables that reflect the structure of domain objects more directly, but this time, a more conventional table design was chosen. TypeOrm models:

How does this compare to using directly an ORM lib that supports browser like TypeORM [0] via SQL.js [1]?

[0] https://typeorm.io/

* Patch a third-party library that was setting an HTTP header to `null`. NodeJS handles this case just fine, but Deno throws an error [2].

After all of that work, I finally was able to use Deno in my project. It was really cool! Unfortunately, both VS Code and IntelliJ with Deno are essentially unusable [3]. Or, at least, unacceptably slow compared to what I had with NodeJS.

[0]: https://stackoverflow.com/a/66073607

[1]: https://github.com/typeorm/typeorm/issues/6123#issuecomment-...

[2]: https://github.com/Sansossio/twisted/issues/97

[3]: https://github.com/denoland/vscode_deno/issues/895

TypeORM is a very convenient ORM for JS apps. We use it with NestJS and running it on NodeJS.

We are going to start using TypeORM as an ORM to help us interact with Postgres, but we also have an example of using Prisma in the future and everything that we have to adapt to switch the ORMs if necessary. At the end we are implementing neon.tech as a production database, right? 😉

TypeORM is a popular Object-Relational Mapping (ORM) library for Node.js. It provides a high-level abstraction over relational databases, making it easy to perform CRUD (Create, Read, Update, Delete) operations.

TypeORM places its focus on TypeScript and JavaScript (ES7+) development. It offers compatibility with various database systems, including MySQL, PostgreSQL, SQLite, and MongoDB. What sets TypeORM apart is its robust integration with TypeScript. It provides a user-friendly experience with a convenient decorator-based syntax for defining entities and relationships. Additionally, TypeORM supports the repository pattern and enables eager loading, enhancing its versatility for developers.

ᴬ typeorm officially supports mssql@v9, but the support for the custom stream builder was added in mssql@v10. Since mssql is a peer dependency of typeorm, you can force override it and use the Cloud SQL Connector with typeorm. There is an open PR to add support for mssql@v10 in typeorm.