lobster VS Jai-Community-Library

I think lobster does this.

"Compile time reference counting / lifetime analysis / borrow checker."[1]

"Reference Counting with cycle detection at exit, 95% of reference count ops removed at compile time thanks to lifetime analysis."[1]

[1] https://strlen.com/lobster/

There is another language, Lobster, that uses lifetime analysis like Rust, but IIUC infers lifetimes completely automatically. It looks like the idea is still experimental - I'm interested to see how it goes.

I think the ability to open a window and do graphical stuff is actually pretty underrated in core language functionality. There's a few game-oriented programming languages like Lobster that put windowing and graphics in the core language functionality, and I think it's pretty neat. The biggest downside is that it's a lot to bite off, because you'll probably want to have standardized API functionality for a whole host of things like font rendering, image loading, etc.

The actual game itself, yes. Based on this open source project though which provides the language its written in and core engine tech: https://github.com/aardappel/lobster

I'm keeping an eye on Lobster though. It fixes most of Python's problems. It's way faster, has proper static typing, the import system is sane, etc.

Lobster (https://strlen.com/lobster/) appears to at least do lifetime analysis to reduce refcounting. I'm not sure about automatic interior mutability. I feel like there's a keyword here that can help find other compilers with similar features.

Also, can I introduce you to https://strlen.com/lobster/, a garbage collected language made for game development by (and primarily for) the one and only Wouter "aardappel" van Oortmerssen?

I would like to make it work to some degree like Rust with a borrow checker, and have optional static typing (with type inference wherever it can). Other sources of inspiration, lobster lang, and dart. It is going to (eventually...) compile to several places like dart (browser, iOS, android, linux, etc.). After I've created the AST, I've gone straight to code generation, because that's the easy part IME. But now have to insert the "middle" and do typechecking/borrowchecking/inference/other checking. This is for an imperative-style language.

Over the ~12 years of Lobster (https://strlen.com/lobster/) 's existence, features that were removed (in this order): * Lexical scoping. * Icon style backtracking. * Small-talk like syntax. * Dynamic Typing. * Multimethods. * Frame based state (like FRP). * Co-routines.

Comparatively

> Incremental rebuilds cause a lot of compilation problems, bugs, and errors. Incremental rebuilds are also slow due to the amount of in between files generated between builds. Jai will contain no incremental rebuild steps. All will be compiled in one fresh compilation. This means that the compiler will need to run fast with high performance. The eventual goal is to compile a 1 million lines of code in 1 second, but as of right now, the compiler can only do 250,000 lines in 1 second.

https://github.com/Jai-Community/Jai-Community-Library/wiki/...

Either ask very politely for years, or be in denial like half the Jai community that writes Jai but is never able to compile it.

Yes, there is a whole Jai community wiki made from half cobbled together knowledge (https://github.com/Jai-Community/Jai-Community-Library/wiki), and a super secret discord made for the super elite, non-compiler-having plebs are banned.

- Philosophical approaches behind project or lack thereof.

Now on the personal, subjective note, the more I look, the more I want to avoid V and get my hands on Jai [1][2]

[1] https://github.com/Jai-Community/Jai-Community-Library/wiki/...

Here's a community wiki that's been kept up-to-date https://github.com/Jai-Community/Jai-Community-Library/wiki

Also this one: https://github.com/Jai-Community/Jai-Community-Library/wiki

There is also the Jai community library, which contains pretty much all the information about the language currently. https://github.com/Jai-Community/Jai-Community-Library