neutrino VS umbrel

Most of them use Neutrino https://github.com/lightninglabs/neutrino

You mean this?

You can run a bitcoin node on a phone today with Neutrino for example.

I'm curious about what made you reach that understanding. My guess is that you either tried or heard from someone who tried to open channels with Bitrefill or another LN giant. You shouldn't do that. Big channel operators don't want to dilute their liquidity with unreliable small channels. You should instead connect to a smaller channel that is connected to that big node. LN is all about routing.

Also in the thread's context we are talking about Visa and Mastercard banning merchants right? In a scenario where the LN is widely adopted that merchant can setup and run https://btcpayserver.org and maintain his own independent LN or on chain payment process system.

As for users, there has been work to facilitate nodeless operation on software wallets. Probably based on https://github.com/lightninglabs/neutrino. I know Blue Wallet is building something based on Rust's lightweight LN node so people can establish channels from their personal wallets https://github.com/BlueWallet/rn-ldk.

LN development is really fast paced. I recommend people try to at least learn about the latest advances before making critics like "I've checked months ago and it was terrible".

I wonder if Nakamoto, or Neutrino can be used with c-lightning

You may want to look into this: https://github.com/lightninglabs/neutrino

Lightning neutrinos will thank you. :)

I really thought this article was going to offer a solution, not just enumerate the problems. I'm already all too familiar with the problems.

I like what Umbrel[0] is doing. They're essentially expecting that just like computing was able to move from centralized mainframes to homes, servers are poised to make the same migration.

I think they really need to solve redundancy, though. If I'm to self-host anything important on a home server, I need to know I'll have some way to use it even if my home server fails, especially if I'm not at home when it happens.

I'd love to see some kind of system where I could partner up with other Umbrel users for backups/the ability to restore connectivity. If I knew that in an emergency, I could call my friend in town or my brother out of state and there was some procedure that would allow me to connect to an encrypted backup of what I'm needing, I would feel a lot better about taking responsibility for my own system.

[0] https://umbrel.com

I did my node via umbrel super easy to setup ;) https://umbrel.com

It's also not secure according to the repo here: https://github.com/getumbrel/umbrel/blob/master/SECURITY.md

For those interested in setting up a their own lightning node, check out Raspibolt, Umbrel, Plebnet .

There are a few raspberry pi solutions, including: - https://umbrel.com

I did it with the instructions/tutorial from https://umbrel.com/