letlang VS gleam

That works for any types (except the functional types), and even the generic ones. During code generation, I create structs that implement the Type trait.

As stated on the website ( https://letlang.dev ), Letlang is a general-purpose language.

Author here, the article is more about how Rust and its ecosystem are nice tools for language designers rather than the beauty of Lisp.

The crates listed in that article are the ones I use for my compiler: https://letlang.dev

Lisp was only chosen as a way to demonstrate the power of those crates and Rust features. A kind of way of justifying my choices for Letlang.

It's not "you should do it like this" but "you can do it like this".

"Faster than C", I saw people write C code slower than a Python equivalent. So I have to admit, I don't know what it means for a language to be fast, because it depends on the algorithm being implemented.

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"simpler than Python", what does "simple" mean?

Simple design? Python's design is very complex (take a look at "Crimes with Python's pattern matching" < https://www.hillelwayne.com/post/python-abc/ > for example), on the other hand, assembly languages, or Lisp, or Forth, have a very simple design.

Simple as in "easy to use"? Rust is easy, write code, fix what the compiler tells you you did wrong. Joke aside, Go is quite easy to use and while I personally don't like this language, I get why it replaced Python in a lot of use cases.

Also, once you get used to the OTP framework, Erlang/Elixir/Gleam/any beam language are quite easy to use and have less footguns than Python.

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"safer than Rust" is too vague. Is it memory safety? type safety? thread safety? cosmic ray safety? A mix of all of that?

Let's guess you meant "memory safety". All languages with a Garbage Collector are "memory safe".

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On a semi-unrelated note, I've been working on https://letlang.dev

It's a language inspired by Erlang/Elixir (same concurrency model) that compiles to Rust code (the runtime use tokio). It is immutable, have no Garbage Collector thanks to Rust semantics, and dynamically typed.

I haven't run any benchmark (it's not even finished, I've been working on the specification before continuing the implementation), but I guess it could be slower than a rock.

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For some recommendations, have you looked at Zig? Nim? Hare?

  https://ziglang.org/

In my language (Letlang), I use the keyword class with structural pattern matching and optionally a predicate. Types (or rather, classes) can be combined with logical operators &, |, !:

Not sure this is what GP is talking about but to implement the actor model in https://letlang.dev I use tokio.

In the early drafts of Letlang, I had the goal to add an equation solver. I got rid of that because:

I'm working on a programming language inspired by erlang and which compiles to Rust: https://letlang.dev

For a contract based language and a "really dynamically typed language", I'm working on https://letlang.dev

And it's because I haven't thought yet about how to do static type checking with such a feature.

I haven't got any time to work on it in the past few weeks, and I'm the only dev (would really love some help). So, it will be ready when it will be ready :P

I use Rust generators to implement them, a rudimentary example: https://github.com/linkdd/letlang/blob/main/letlang_runtime/src/utils/entrypoint.rs

I haven't had time to really try to write anything in it, but https://gleam.run/ looks really good too. Like Elm for backend + frontend!

Want a friendly language for building safe systems at scale? Gleam is here for you. It features modern and familiar syntax, that's reliable and scalable. Gleam runs on an Erlang virtual machine, and can run plenty of concurrent tasks. It comes with a compiler, build tool, formatter, editor integrations, and package manager all built in so you can get started right away. Congrats to the team on shipping your first major version 🙌.

While I love Clojure, I have to agree about tooling. I recently started using Gleam* and was impressed at how easy it was to get up and running with the CLI tool. I think this is an important part of getting people to adopt a language.

* https://gleam.run/

If you use languages that compile to WASM (such as Gleam https://gleam.run), and can also run Postgres via WASM, then it opens very interesting offline scenarios with codebases which are similar on both the client and the server, for instance.

Recently, Gleam has gained more popularity, and a lot of developers (including me) are learning it. At the time of this writing, it has exceeded 14k stars on GitHub; it grew really fast for the last month.

Oh, strange that github had a date of 2016 on this one: https://github.com/gleam-lang/gleam/issues/2

I was just going by that, though I do remember checking out gleam 5 years ago or so.

Re: macros, I really do think they’re a big deal and all the other newer languages I’ve used, such as Rust have some kind of macros or powerful meta programming features.

For older languages, a few, like Ruby have enough meta programmability to make nice DSLs, but many others don’t. Given the choice, I’d much rather have Elixir/Clojure style macros than other meta-programming facilities I’ve seen so far.

I had been only following this language with some interest, I guess this was born in gitlab not sure if the creator(s) still work there. This is what I'd have wanted golang to be (albeit with GC when you do not have clear lifetimes).

But how would you differentiate yourself from https://gleam.run which can leverage the OTP, I'd be more interested if we can adapt Gleam to graalvm isolates so we can leverage the JVM ecosystem.