kapp VS postgrest

If you want to take it one step further: you might be applying several resources at a time that are logically one "application". kapp (https://carvel.dev/kapp/) lets you group those together and give them a name, and provides a "terraform-like" experience where it shows you its execution plan before applying updates. So then you might do `ytt -f | kapp deploy -a name-of-thing` Or you could use helm's templating engine but then still pass the resulting yaml to kapp for its unification of the deployment step.

since you mentioned Kubernetes...

> It would be nice if there was a separate state reconciliation system that one could adapt to use with Cue or Dhall or any other frontend

this exactly was thinking behind https://carvel.dev/kapp for Kubernetes (i'm one of the maintainers). it makes a point to not know how you decided to generate your Kubernetes config -- just takes it as input.

> In particular the ability to import other files as semantic hashes seems like a great feature.

it's an interesting feature but seems like it should be unnecessary given that config can be easily checked into git (your own and its dependencies).

i think kubernetes is not a great example in favor of more client state (like tf) since k8s has uniform resource structure (metadata.*) and first class labeling support. but as you point out kubectl doesnt use labels well (at least imho).

when building https://carvel.dev/kapp (which i think of as "optimized terraform" for k8s) the goal was absolutely to take advantage of those k8s features. we ended up providing two capabilities: direct label (more advanced) and "app name" (more user friendly). from impl standpoint, difference is how much state is maintained.

"kapp deploy -a label:x=y -f ..." allows user to specify label that is applied to all deployed resources and is also used for querying k8s to determine whats out there under given label. invocation is completely stateless since burden of keeping/providing state (in this case the label x=y) is shifted to the user. downside of course is that all apis within k8s need to be iterated over. (side note, fun features like "kapp delete -a label:!x" are free thanks to k8s querying).

"kapp deploy -a my-app -f ..." gives user ability to associate name with uniquely auto-generated label. this case is more stateful than previous but again only label needs to be saved (we use ConfigMap to store that label). if this state is lost, one has to only recover generated label.

imho k8s api structure enables focused tools like kapp to be much much simpler than more generic tool like terraform. as much as i'd like for terraform to keep less state, i totally appreciate its needs to support lowest common denominator feature set.

common discussion topics:

Take a look at kapp (https://github.com/vmware-tanzu/carvel-kapp).

kapp - Install, upgrade, and delete multiple Kubernetes resources as one "application"

I really like this approach for simplifying Kubernetes. A few projects similar to OAM in that it provides a higher level "Application" CRD:

https://github.com/vmware-tanzu/carvel-kapp

hey hn, supabase ceo her

we just announced GA, after ~4 years of beta. for those who don't know: supabase is a postgres hosting company. we also host other open source "backend" tools that make it easy to get started with postgres (tools like PostgREST for auto-generate APIs [0])

we owe a lot to the HN community. you launched us 4 years ago [1], when we were just a few developers. since then HN has been a staple in our journey, one of the best sources of product feedback [2]

the GA badge is mostly to signify organizational readiness. we're at a stage where we can take any profile of customer. we have a support team that works 24/7, and a success team that will help customers improve their postgres usage. we released our Index Advisor [3] yesterday, and we'll be releasing a few more products this week that helps customer with performance and security.

on a personal note: i read HN most days, and love going through the ShowHN's to see what devs are building. thanks for being an awesome community and my favorite place to lurk on the internet. i'll stick around to answer any questions

[0] PostgREST: https://postgrest.org

[1] Launch: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23319901

[2] HN journey: https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=false&qu...

[3] Index Advisor: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40028111

If you use PostgreSQL and are proficient with using its row-level security feature, you can choose from several tools/services built above RLS, including Supabase, PostgREST, and PostGraphile. They all provide a way to expose database CRUD as a web API, assuming you've configured the RLS rules to properly secure the access.

wget 'https://github.com/PostgREST/postgrest/releases/download/v11.2.0/postgrest-v11.2.0-linux-static-x64.tar.xz'

SupaBase is entirely based upon PostgREST. In fact, PostgREST is arguably 49% of their value proposition according to their own website. The other 49% is PostgreSQL. PostgreSQL of course is a super mature database, and some would argue the best RDBMS on the planet, so let's ignore that part for a moment, and consider it a mature thing and move on to PostgREST.

You don't need this PHP snippet:

To get the same functionality without the extra step, simply use PostgREST [1]

[1] https://postgrest.org/

PostgREST is a standalone web server that turns your PostgreSQL database into a RESTful API using the database's structural constraints and permissions to define the API's endpoints and operations. In this tutorial, you will create a simple note-taking app by leveraging PostgREST to construct a RESTful API for the app and using htmx to deliver HTML content.

You might find some info in the docs of PostgREST [1] or in the previous discussions on HN about it [2].

For the versioning, I just have a git repo where I keep every role, schema, table, view, function, trigger, etc. definitions. Every time I change something in the database I first change it in the git repo too to have an history.

[1] https://postgrest.org

[2] https://hn.algolia.com/?q=postgrest

Don't know if you would call this a "program" but PostgREST is written is Haskell too.

https://github.com/PostgREST/postgrest