cube.js VS Metabase

I should have clarified. There's a large number of apps that are:

1. taking info strictly from SQL (e.g. information_schema, query history)

2. taking a user input / question

3. writing SQL to answer that question

An app like this is what I call "text-to-sql". Totally agree a better system would pull in additional documentation (which is what we're doing), but I'd no longer consider it "text-to-sql". In our case, we're not even directly writing SQL, but rather generating semantic layer queries (i.e. https://cube.dev/).

I'm not too familiar with https://cube.dev/ - but my initial impression is they are focused more on providing APIs backed by SQL. They have a SQL API that emulates the PostgreSQL wire protocol, whereas Spice implements Arrow and Flight SQL natively. Their pre-aggregations are a similar concept to Spice's data accelerators. It also looks like they have their own query language, whereas Spice is native SQL as well.

Hey HN!

Over the past year, my co-founder David and I have been building Delphi to let developers create amazing customer-facing AI experiences on top of their data. We're excited to share it with you.

David and I have spent our careers leading data and engineering teams. After ChatGPT got popular, we saw a rush of "chat with your data" startups launch. Most of these are "text-to-SQL" and use an LLM like GPT-4 to generate SQL queries that run directly against a data warehouse or database.

However, the general perception now is most of them make for nice demos but are hard to make work in the real world. The reason is data complexity. Even smart LLMs find it difficult to reason about messy databases with hundreds of tables, thousands of columns, and complex schemas that have been built up piece-meal for years. Text-to-SQL can be a fine dev tool for data scientists and analysts, but we've seen many organizations hesitate to deploy it to end users, who never know if the answer they get one day will be the same the next.

David and I found a better way. From our time in the data engineering world, we were familiar with a type of tool called "semantic layers." Think of them like an ORM for analytics. Basically, they sit between databases (or data warehouses) and data consumers (data viz tools like Tableau or APIs) and map real-world concepts (entities like "customers" and metrics like "sales") to database tables and calculations.

Semantic layers are often used for "embedded analytics" (e.g. when you're building customer-facing dashboards into your application) but are increasingly also used for traditional business intelligence. Cube (https://cube.dev) is a prominent example, and dbt has also recently released one. They're useful because with a semantic layer, the consumer doesn't have to think about questions like "how do we define revenue?" when running a query. They just get consistent, governed data definitions across their business.

We realized that semantic layers could be just as useful for LLMs as for humans. After all, LLMs are built on natural language, so a system that deterministically translates natural language concepts into code has obvious power when you're working with LLMs. With a semantic layer, we've found that companies can get AI to answer much more complex questions than without it.

For a year now, we've been building Delphi to do just that. We've gone through a few iterations/pivots (initially we were focused on building a Slack bot for internal analytics) and are now seeing our developer-first approach resonate. We're being used to power customer-facing fintech applications, recruiting software, and more.

How do you use Delphi? The first step is connecting your database; then, we build your semantic layer on top of it. Right now we do this manually, but we're moving more and more of it over to AI. Once that's done, we have 3 main ways of using Delphi: 1) white-labeling our AI analytics platform and providing it to your customers; 2) a streaming REST API and SDKs; and 3) React components to easily drop a "chat with your data" experience into your app.

If this is interesting to you, drop us a line at [email protected] or sign up at our website (https://delphihq.com) to get in touch. Thanks for reading! Would love to hear any thoughts and feedback.

We use https://cube.dev/ as intermediate layer between data warehouse database and Superset (and other "terminal" apps for BI like report generators). You define your schema (metrics, dimensions, joins, calculated metrics etc) in cube and then access them by any tool that can connect to SQL db

also check out cube.dev. they can do the semantic layer and cache it so you are not hitting Snowflake all the time.

We need metrics to live in source control with reviews. Metabase doesn't have a git integration for metrics, which is why we are convinced to use cube.dev as a semantic layer.

https://github.com/cube-js/cube comes out very well at the end as a promising open source system, getting rather close to the bullseye. Would love to know more & hear people's experience with it.

How is this different from something like https://cube.dev/

Have a look to cube.js

For now, I've been thinking on using self-hosted Rudderstack both for ingestion and reverse ETL, cube.dev as the abstraction later for building webapps and providing catching for the BI layer, and dbt for transformations. But I have doubts with the following elements:

Remote Code Execution via H2

We've used it for about a year - Blazer is okay if you need a quick SQL query console, but we found it lacking as an actual business intelligence tool. The support for graphs and dashboards is limited, for graphs it requires you to structure the query in an exact way as you can see in the Blazer readme.

After some research on available alternatives that don't break the bank, we decided to deploy a self-hosted instance of Metabase[0]. This took only a few minutes to set up using their Docker image[1] and it has much better graphing capabilities and you can easily put a custom layout together for dashboards. Upgrading is similarly easy (just redeploy). Also easy to configure: data sources, hiding or changing the data type of a column, G Suite sign-in for our domain. Highly recommend it if you need anything more than Blazer's table output.

[0]: https://github.com/metabase/metabase

I've never used Tableau, but heard a lot of hate about it. However, in my previous role, we were big fans of Metabase (https://metabase.com). You can also self-host it, which was a huge win for us.

It seems folks want a working example. Here's one in prod:

Metabase is a BI tool, backend written mostly in Clojure. Like basically all BI tools they have this intermediate representation language thing so you write the same thing in "MBQL (metabase query language)" and it theoretically becomes same query in like, Postgres and Mongo and whatever. End user does not usually write MBQL, it's a service for the frontend querybuilding UI thing and lots of other frontend UI stuff mainly in usage.

Whole processing from MBQL -> your SQL or whatever is done via a buncha big-ass transducers. Metabase is not materially faster than other BI tools (because all the other BI tools do something vaguely similar in their langs) but it's pretty comparable speed and the whole thing was materially written by like 5 peeps

https://github.com/metabase/metabase/blob/master/src/metabas...

(nb: I used to work for Metabase but currently do not. but open core is open core)

They haven't released the source, and the compiled versions are non-trivial to diff (e.g. there are nondeterministic numbers from the clojure compiler that seem to have changed from one to the other, and .clj files have been removed from the jar).

The old version has `hash=1bb88f5`, which is a public commit: https://github.com/metabase/metabase/commit/1bb88f5

We are unsure about the right license to use, so this is a great feedback. We had a MIT license one week ago that we know that we cannot hold on long term and we felt we were lying to the community by keeping an MIT license and changing it in one year.

By using AGPL, we feel it's the right level of restriction. It's the license used by Metabase for example (https://github.com/metabase/metabase) that many companies use internally.

The solution really depends on what sort of problems you are trying to solve and who your customers are.

There are a fair few low-code solutions out there for reporting and data visualisation that are great for finance and marketing teams for example. e.g. https://metabase.com/ , https://evidence.dev/

For multipurpose SMB workflows and organisational processes, I have used n8n in the recent past and found it was quite good and incredibly easy to maintain. https://n8n.io/engineering-resources/

For enterprise processes I'd go with Camunda (solely based on recommendations and not first hand experience). Although only parts of their platform are OSS https://github.com/camunda

Bear in mind that some of these are not suitable if you want to build something that competes with them while taking their OSS code. But are perfectly fine otherwise.

Anyway, I have a collection of scripts that merge ActivityWatch data from all my machines and WakaTime exports to a PostgreSQL database which I then query with a project called Metabase. If you're curious, the scripts are in a repository called sqrt-data. I've been playing with this for ~4-5 years already I think.

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Metabase is open source analytics software that lets anyone in your company rummage around in the databases you have. It connects to a number of databases / data warehouses (BigQuery, Redshift, Snowflake, Postgres, MySQL, etc).