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- Embracing Common Lisp in the Modern World
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Use any web browser as GUI, with Zig in the back end and HTML5 in the front end
Reminds me of the approach of CLOG (Common Lisp Omnificent Gui[1]) and its ancestor GNOGA (The GNU Omnificent GUI for Ada[2]).
They also integrate basic components and even graphical UI editor (at least for CLOG), so you can essentially develop the whole thing from inside CL or Ada
[1] https://github.com/rabbibotton/clog
[2] https://github.com/alire-project/gnoga
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Common Lisp: An Interactive Approach (1992) [pdf]
For me David Botton [0] with his work including code, support and videos is doing very nice work in this direction.
I use SBCL for everything but work because I cannot get; we are getting there, but like you say, it’s such a nice experience working interactively building fast that it is magic and it’s painful returning to my daily work of Python and typescript/react. It feels like a waste of time/life, really.
[0] https://github.com/rabbibotton/clog
- CLOG - The Common Lisp Omnificent GUI
- Clog The Common Lisp Omnificent GUI
- Clog – The Common Lisp Omnificent GUI
- Tkinter Designer: Quickly Turn Figma Design to Python Tkinter GUI
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Want to learn lisp?
I was following along on the Windows page and didn't check back on the main README to see if any of the other instructions would help.
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All Web frontend lisp projects
It the answer is "latter", then you could look at Common Lisp and Reblocks (https://40ants.com/reblocks/) or CLOG (https://github.com/rabbibotton/clog).
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How to Understand and Use Common Lisp
I haven't used Clojure professionally in 10 years so with a grain of salt here are my thoughts as only one other person answered...
CL over Clojure: it's the OG Lisp that the creator of Clojure used and wanted to continue using but faced too much resistance from management afraid of anything not-Java/not-Oracle, or not-CLR/not-Microsoft, etc. Clojure shipped originally as "just another jar" so devs could "sneak" it in. If you don't have such a management restriction, why Clojure? If you want to integrate CL with the JVM, you can use the ABCL implementation, there's also something from one of the proprietary Lisps. Some useful CL features that are nice in this domain: conditions and restarts mentioned in a sibling comment (very nice to help interactively develop/debug e.g. a selenium webdriver test), ability to easily compile an exe (perhaps useful for microservices, or just to keep your deployment environment clean and not having to care about Lisp), and ability to easily ship with an open local socket allowing you to SSH in (or SSH port forward) and debug/fix/poke around in production (JVM of course lets you attach debuggers to a running process, even certain billion+ dollar companies will have supervised/limited prod debugging sessions for various hairy cases, but it's not as interactive). You should never hear CL advocates claim you can't scale to large teams/groups of engineers or large multi-million-lines sized projects, though you might oddly hear Clojure advocates sometimes claim you can't (and shouldn't) scale to such large projects -- large groups of engineers are a non-issue for them as well though, the challenge is in hiring, not in the language somehow making it impossible to modularize and keep people from stepping on each other.
Clojure over CL: its integration with the JVM is nicer than ABCL's, so if you do actually want a lot of the great world of Java stuff, it's easier to get at. Database integration libraries are better. Access to libs (Clojure or Java) is via Maven, so it's a larger ecosystem with more self-integrating components (especially around monitoring/metrics) than what's available for Lisp via Quicklisp. Clojure is very opinionated, much of it quite tasteful, and that gives the whole ecosystem a certain consistency. (You can have immutable data structures in CL, you can if you want use [] for literal vectors and make them syntactically important e.g. in let bindings, but not everyone will be on board.) Even though its popularity seems to have stopped growing, at least at the same rate as e.g. Go which it was keeping pace with for a while, it's still popular enough with a bigger community; as a proxy measure there are multiple conferences around the world and good talks at adjacent conferences, whereas Lisp mostly just has one conference in Europe per year and only occasional branching outside of that.
If you're doing a client-side-heavy webapp, ClojureScript is still amazing, CL's answers there aren't very compelling with the exception of CLOG (https://github.com/rabbibotton/clog) which takes an entirely different direction than the usual idea of translating/running Lisp on top of JavaScript and its popular frameworks.
cl-cookbook
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Gamedev in Lisp. Part 1: ECS and Metalinguistic Abstraction
> the problem with Lisp is that it's sorta bundled with Emacs
What's the problems with Alive, SLT, Slyblime, and Vlime? I mean, I use Emacs, but I was using Emacs before getting into Scheme and CL anyway.
> Every website that teaches Lisp is in ugly HTML+CSS-only style
I dunno, I feel like the Community Spec (<https://cl-community-spec.github.io/pages/index.html>) and the Cookbook (<https://lispcookbook.github.io/cl-cookbook/>) are fine.
> I like the philosophy of (s-exp) but modern lisps have ruined its simplicity for me by introducing additional bracket notations [like this].
Yes, that additional notation is a terrible blight on the perfection that is S-expressions, I wholeheartedly agree.
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Common Lisp: An Interactive Approach (1992) [pdf]
check out the editor section, there's more than Emacs these days: https://lispcookbook.github.io/cl-cookbook/editor-support.ht...
- https://github.com/CodyReichert/awesome-cl for libraries
- https://www.classcentral.com/report/best-lisp-courses/#ancho...
- a recent overview of the ecosystem: https://lisp-journey.gitlab.io/blog/these-years-in-common-li... (shameless plug, on HN: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34321090)
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A few newbie questions about lisp
Q4: the Cookbook should get you straight to the point: build a website, web scraper, DB access, reference of data structures… https://lispcookbook.github.io/cl-cookbook/
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How to Understand and Use Common Lisp
It's a good book!
Modern companions would be:
- the Cookbook: https://lispcookbook.github.io/cl-cookbook/ (check out the editors section: Atom/Pulsar, VSCode, Sublime, Jetbrains, Lem...)
- https://github.com/CodyReichert/awesome-cl to find libraries
Also:
- https://stevelosh.com/blog/2018/08/a-road-to-common-lisp/
- https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34321090 2022 in review
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Peter Norvig – Paradigms of AI Programming Case Studies in Common Lisp
https://leanpub.com/lovinglisp -- this one is great, and the first thing I recommend
https://lispcookbook.github.io/cl-cookbook/ -- also great and up to date
https://awesome-cl.com/ -- for anything else.
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A new video about image-based development in Common Lisp (please, turn on EN subs)
Little help to boost your videos: https://lispcookbook.github.io/cl-cookbook/ look at the banner. Cheers.
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Good short documentation for CL functions (etc.) available?
For more beginner-friendly, I suggest P. Siebels Practical Common Lisp or The CL Cookbook. Both of those should be available in Emacs info format! If authors are lurking in here :-)
- Common Lisp and Music Composition
- A much needed cookbook for the Lisp-curious (and learning)
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Debugging Lisp: fix and resume a program from any point in stack 🎥
the code snippet used for the example is here: https://github.com/LispCookbook/cl-cookbook/pull/472
What are some alternatives?
kandria - A post-apocalyptic actionRPG. Now on Steam!
coalton - Coalton is an efficient, statically typed functional programming language that supercharges Common Lisp.
stumpwm - The Stump Window Manager
racket - The Racket repository
awesome-cl - A curated list of awesome Common Lisp frameworks, libraries and other shiny stuff.
woo - A fast non-blocking HTTP server on top of libev
electron-sbcl-sqlite - A simple boilerplate that builds an Electron app with SBCL and SQLite3 embedded
roswell - intended to be a launcher for a major lisp environment that just works.
weblocks - This fork was created to experiment with some refactorings. They are collected in branch "reblocks".
paip-lisp - Lisp code for the textbook "Paradigms of Artificial Intelligence Programming"
kons-9 - Common Lisp 3D Graphics Project