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The organization behind QT (QT Group) has pretty onerous licensing terms.

My understanding is that it's $3,950 per year just to develop using their libraries on your own computer if you ever in the future intend to commercialize a product using QT. Transitioning from the open source license to the commercial license is something you can do but it's not the happy path and their FAQ seems to indicate that it comes with some sort of penalty.

https://www.qt.io/pricing

Something like Slint (Rust based but includes CPP and JS bindings) is not as comprehensive (yet) but it's more modern and the licensing terms are significantly more in line with software industry norms.

GPUI from Zed is also something to monitor: https://www.gpui.rs/

Also, in general you can find an extensive list of Rust-based native UI libraries here: https://areweguiyet.com/

I would suggest that nearly every person on this website is a developer. Both C and C++ let you shoot yourself in the foot quite easily, but at least C++ has RAII.

If you're referring to Rust, it's just not there yet for anything serious: https://areweguiyet.com/

I normally use python to do some quick data analysis, with pandas/polars/pyspark/...

But I've started to use rust more and more in the last few weeks and really start to like it.

Does anyone have experience doing data analysis with rust, and would you recommend it over python?

And are there any resources like https://areweguiyet.com/ but for data analysis?

You still haven't said anything about why those existing frameworks don't count. Again, they are used in production and do exactly what a gui framework is supposed to do. Sure they may not have all the features of the frameworks that have existed a decade before rust even existed but the issue is time not rust itself. They very clearly can be used to build complex UI without inheritance. Since you mentioned it, you should probably actually look at it https://areweguiyet.com/ the page clearly says that GUI frameworks do exist in rust.

The web site https://areweguiyet.com/ has a list of GUI libraries for Rust.

I haven’t tried any yet as I lack the time, but it can be a good starting point.

Iced and Slint where interesting when I looked at that, and Slint may be done by former Qt developers.

I also hope that it is consistent with the goals mentioned at https://areweguiyet.com/

Neat. Thanks for sharing!

Interestingly, may-minihttp is faring very well in the TechEmpower benchmark [1], for whatever those benchmarks are worth. The code is also surprisingly straightforward [2].

[1] https://www.techempower.com/benchmarks/

[2] https://github.com/TechEmpower/FrameworkBenchmarks/blob/mast...

ntex was formed after a schism in actix-web and Rust safety/unsafety, with ntex allowing more unsafe code for better performance.

ntex is at the top of the TechEmpower benchmarks, although those benchmarks are not apples-to-apples since each uses its own tricks: https://www.techempower.com/benchmarks/#hw=ph&test=fortune&s...

Ruby is slow. Very slow. How much you may ask? https://www.techempower.com/benchmarks/#hw=ph&test=fortune&s... fastest Ruby entry is at 272th place. Sure, top entries tend to have questionable benchmark-golfing implementations, but it gives you a good primer on the overhead imposed by Ruby.

It is also not early 00s anymore, when you pick an interpreted language, you are not getting "better productivity and tooling". In fact, most interpreted languages lag behind other major languages significantly in the form of JS/TS, Python and Ruby suffering from different woes when it comes to package management and publishing. I would say only TS/JS manages to stand apart with being tolerable, and Python sometimes too by a virtue of its popularity and the amount of information out there whenever you need to troubleshoot.

If you liked Go but felt it being a too verbose to your liking, give .NET a try. I am advocating for it here on HN mostly for fun but it is, in fact, highly underappreciated, considered unsexy and boring while it's anything but after a complete change of trajectory in the last 3-5 years. It is actually the* stack people secretly want but simply don't know about because it is bundled together with Java in the public perception.

*productive CLI tooling, high performance, works well in a really wide range of workloads from low to high level, by far the best ORM across all languages and back-end framework that is easier to work with than Node.JS while consuming 0.1x resources

Although that seems to have improved in recent years.

https://www.techempower.com/benchmarks/#hw=ph&test=json§...

RoR and whatever C++ based web backend there is count as a valid comparison in my book. But comparing the languages itself is maybe a bit off.

On a side note, you can actually compare their performance here if you’re really curious. But take it with a grain of salt since these are synthetic benchmarks.

https://www.techempower.com/benchmarks

Most benchmarks you'll find essentially have someone's thumb on the scale (intentionally or unintentionally). Most people won't know the different languages well enough to create comparable implementations and if you let different people create the implementations, cheating happens. The TechEmpower benchmarks aren't bad, but many implementations put their thumb on the scale (https://www.techempower.com/benchmarks). For example, a lot of the Go implementations avoid the GC by pre-allocating/reusing structs or allocate arrays knowing how big they need to be in advance (despite that being against the rules). At some point, it becomes "how many features have you turned off." Some Go http routers (like fasthttp and those built off it like Atreugo and Fiber) aren't actually correct and a lot of people in the Go community discourage their use, but they certainly top the benchmarks. Gin and Echo are usually the ones that are well-respected in the Go community.

There is certainly a lot of speculation in Techempower benchmarks and top entries can utilize questionable techniques like simply writing a byte array literal to output stream instead of constructing a response, or (in the past) DB query coalescing to work around inherent limitations of the DB in case of Fortunes or DB quries.

And yet, the fastest Ruby entry is at 274th place while Rails is at 427th.

https://www.techempower.com/benchmarks/#hw=ph&test=fortune&s...

oh what machine? with how many workers? doing what?

search for "node" on this page: https://www.techempower.com/benchmarks/#section=data-r21

JustJS would like a word https://www.techempower.com/benchmarks/#section=data-r20&tes...

In terms of RPS, this web service is more-or-less the fortunes benchmark in the techempower benchmarks, once the data hits the cache: https://www.techempower.com/benchmarks/#section=data-r21

Or, at least, they would be after applying optimizations to them.

In short, both of these would serve more rps than you will likely ever need on even the lowest end virtual machines. The underlying API provider will probably cut you off from querying them before you run out of RPS.