HIP
wonnx
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30 | 18 | |
3,462 | 1,493 | |
1.5% | 4.6% | |
8.9 | 6.3 | |
3 days ago | about 1 month ago | |
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MIT License | GNU General Public License v3.0 or later |
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HIP
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Porting HPC Applications to AMD Instinct MI300A Using Unified Memory and OpenMP
>ROCm or HIP?
I'm not sure that's even the right question to ask. Afaik ROCm is the name of that entire tech stack and HIP is AMD's equivalent to CUDA C++ (they basically replicated the API and replaced every "CUDA" by "hip", they have functions called "hipmalloc" and "hipmemcpy").
The repository is located at https://github.com/ROCm/HIP.
- Hip: Runtime API and Kernel Language for Portable Apps for AMD and Nvidia GPUs
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Open-source project ZLUDA lets CUDA apps run on AMD GPUs
Is it perhaps because they want people to use HIP?
> HIP is very thin and has little or no performance impact over coding directly in CUDA mode.
> The HIPIFY tools automatically convert source from CUDA to HIP.
1. https://github.com/ROCm/HIP
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AMD's Next GPU Is a 3D-Integrated Superchip
AMD has released HIP and a tool called HIPIFY which kind of behaves like this but at the source level¹. Rather than try and just translate CUDA to work on AMD compute they are more focused on higher level tooling.
Currently they seem to have a particular focus on AI frameworks and tools like PyTorch/Tensorflow/ONNX. They have sponsored and helped with a lot of PyTorch development for example, so PyTorch support for AMD is much better than it was this time last year².
¹(https://github.com/ROCm/HIP)
²(https://pytorch.org/blog/experience-power-pytorch-2.0/)
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Intel CEO: 'The entire industry is motivated to eliminate the CUDA market'
> what would be the point for someone to add ROCm support to various pieces of software which currently require CUDA
It isn't just old cards though, CUDA is a point of centralization on a single provider during a time when access to that providers higher end cards isn't even available and that is causing people to look elsewhere.
ROCm supports CUDA through the included HIP projects...
https://github.com/ROCm/HIP
https://github.com/ROCm/HIPCC
https://github.com/ROCm/HIPIFY
The later will regex replace your CUDA methods with HIP methods. If it is as easy as running hipify on your codebase (or just coding to HIP apis), it certainly makes sense to do so.
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Nvidia on the Mountaintop
AMD's equivalent is HIP [1], for sufficiently flexible definitions of "equivalent". I can't speak to how complete/correct/performant it is (I'm just a guy running tutorial/toy-level ML stuff on an RDNA1 card), but part of AMD's problem is that it might not practically matter how well they do this because the broader ecosystem support specifically for the CUDA stack is so entrenched.
[1] https://github.com/ROCm-Developer-Tools/HIP
- Stable Diffusion in pure C/C++
- Would love to hear your information and knowledge to simplify my understanding on AMD's positioning in the AI market
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Ask HN: C++ still dominates on GPUs, why not Rust?
From what I know, modern GPUs are still programmed with C++ exclusively. See CUDA [0] for Nvidia and ROCm [1] for AMD.
Why is this? Why Rust is not loved there?
[0] https://docs.nvidia.com/cuda/
[1] https://github.com/ROCm-Developer-Tools/HIP
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[P] RWKV C++ Cuda library with no dependencies, no torch, and no python
Go ahead and try to ship ROCm code that works on multiple consumer graphics cards on Linux, MacOS, and Windows. As an example of how much AMD cares about it, the installation notes linked to in the readme returns a 404.
wonnx
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Intel CEO: 'The entire industry is motivated to eliminate the CUDA market'
The two I know of are IREE and Kompute[1]. I'm not sure how much momentum the latter has, I don't see it referenced much. There's also a growing body of work that uses Vulkan indirectly through WebGPU. This is currently lagging in performance due to lack of subgroups and cooperative matrix mult, but I see that gap closing. There I think wonnx[2] has the most momentum, but I am aware of other efforts.
[1]: https://kompute.cc/
[2]: https://github.com/webonnx/wonnx
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VkFFT: Vulkan/CUDA/Hip/OpenCL/Level Zero/Metal Fast Fourier Transform Library
To a first approximation, Kompute[1] is that. It doesn't seem to be catching on, I'm seeing more buzz around WebGPU solutions, including wonnx[2] and more hand-rolled approaches, and IREE[3], the latter of which has a Vulkan back-end.
[1]: https://kompute.cc/
[2]: https://github.com/webonnx/wonnx
[3]: https://github.com/openxla/iree
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Onnx Runtime: “Cross-Platform Accelerated Machine Learning”
There's also a third-party WebGPU implementation: https://github.com/webonnx/wonnx
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Are there any ML crates that would compile to WASM?
By experimental I meant e.g. using WGPU to run compute shaders like wonnx, which is working fine but only on a very restricted set of devices and browsers.
- WebGPU ONNX inference runtime written in Rust
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PyTorch Primitives in WebGPU for the Browser
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35696031 ... TIL about wonnx: https://github.com/webonnx/wonnx#in-the-browser-using-webgpu...
microsoft/onnxruntime: https://github.com/microsoft/onnxruntime
Apache/arrow has language-portable Tensors for cpp: https://arrow.apache.org/docs/cpp/api/tensor.html and rust: https://docs.rs/arrow/latest/arrow/tensor/struct.Tensor.html and Python: https://arrow.apache.org/docs/python/api/tables.html#tensors https://arrow.apache.org/docs/python/generated/pyarrow.Tenso...
Fwiw it looks like the llama.cpp Tensor is from ggml, for which there are CUDA and OpenCL implementations (but not yet ROCm, or a WebGPU shim for use with emscripten transpilation to WASM): https://github.com/ggerganov/llama.cpp/blob/master/ggml.h
Are the recommendable ways to cast e.g. arrow Tensors to pytorch/tensorflow?
FWIU, Rust has a better compilation to WASM; and that's probably faster than already-compiled-to-JS/ES TensorFlow + WebGPU.
What's a fair benchmark?
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rustformers/llm: Run inference for Large Language Models on CPU, with Rust 🦀🚀🦙
wonnx has done some fantastic work in this regard, so that's where we plan to start once we get there. In terms of general discussion of alternate backends, see this issue.
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I want to talk about WebGPU
> GPU in other ways, such as training ML models and then using them via an inference engine all powered by your local GPU?
Have a look at wonnix https://github.com/webonnx/wonnx
A WebGPU-accelerated ONNX inference run-time written 100% in Rust, ready for native and the web
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Chrome Ships WebGPU
Looking forward to your WebGPU ML runtime! Also, why not contribute back to WONNX? (https://github.com/webonnx/wonnx)
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OpenXLA Is Available Now
You can indeed perform inference using WebGPU (see e.g. [1] for GPU-accelerated inference of ONNX models on WebGPU; I am one of the authors).
The point made above is that WebGPU can only be used for GPU's and not really for other types of 'neural accelerators' (like e.g. the ANE on Apple devices).
[1] https://github.com/webonnx/wonnx
What are some alternatives?
AdaptiveCpp - Implementation of SYCL and C++ standard parallelism for CPUs and GPUs from all vendors: The independent, community-driven compiler for C++-based heterogeneous programming models. Lets applications adapt themselves to all the hardware in the system - even at runtime!
stablehlo - Backward compatible ML compute opset inspired by HLO/MHLO
ZLUDA - CUDA on AMD GPUs
onnx - Open standard for machine learning interoperability
futhark - :boom::computer::boom: A data-parallel functional programming language
tract - Tiny, no-nonsense, self-contained, Tensorflow and ONNX inference
kompute - General purpose GPU compute framework built on Vulkan to support 1000s of cross vendor graphics cards (AMD, Qualcomm, NVIDIA & friends). Blazing fast, mobile-enabled, asynchronous and optimized for advanced GPU data processing usecases. Backed by the Linux Foundation.
iree - A retargetable MLIR-based machine learning compiler and runtime toolkit.
ginkgo - Numerical linear algebra software package
burn - Burn is a new comprehensive dynamic Deep Learning Framework built using Rust with extreme flexibility, compute efficiency and portability as its primary goals.
rocm-arch - A collection of Arch Linux PKGBUILDS for the ROCm platform
blaze - A Rustified OpenCL Experience