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> how do I get him learning programming in a fun way?
Processing / P5.js can be pretty fun to learn. You use a real programming language to create art and animations. With little code you can get a circle on the screen, then making it move, then following your mouse, then adding other shapes, then changing colour depending on some event… It’s conductive to experimentation and a way to gradually introduce concepts.
https://processing.org/
https://p5js.org/
https://thecodingtrain.com/
> how do I get him learning programming in a fun way?
Processing / P5.js can be pretty fun to learn. You use a real programming language to create art and animations. With little code you can get a circle on the screen, then making it move, then following your mouse, then adding other shapes, then changing colour depending on some event… It’s conductive to experimentation and a way to gradually introduce concepts.
https://processing.org/
https://p5js.org/
https://thecodingtrain.com/
If Scratch is too limiting, you can try to get them hooked on programming with developing games using Godot or Unity:
https://godotengine.org/