y-crdt VS rust-libp2p

Definitely agree that would be valuable. In fact our multiplayer state synchronization aspect is largely implemented in TypeScript (there's a TS element to the stack as well), and is built on top of YJS – there is a Rust implementation of YJS already though, which would likely be a great start for anyone looking to build something similar purely in Rust: https://github.com/y-crdt/y-crdt

We are working on a plugin API, which will allow people to build functionality that leverages the multiplayer data model – but within the app rather than as standalone applications.

It sounds like you want a Conflict-Free Replicated Data Type, CRDT for short. There are some Rust libraries you can use, but y-crdt seems very feature-complete, a port of Yjs.

I've found reliably persistence on the backend irritating with yjs. Seems like the official path is to fork their example library and edit it. (The example is insufficient because, for example, it will silently eat data if the onchange webhook fails).

yrs initially looks tempting but it's unsound at it's core. (The plan is to port the API directly from JS, use unsafe to silence the borrow checker, then gradually fix specific instances of undefined behavior if they cause actual real world issues.[1] I don't this this is an approach that can work. That's a shame because a lot of impressive work has gone into yrs.)

[1]: https://github.com/y-crdt/y-crdt/issues/233

So exciting! Strangely enough, a couple of hours before this release, we just managed to wrap our heads around Yjs after playing with it on and off for a few weeks!

For anyone not up to date with the world of CRDTs, Seph Gentle's two blog posts have become legendary:

* https://josephg.com/blog/crdts-are-the-future/

* https://josephg.com/blog/crdts-go-brrr/

these are also worth checking out:

* https://github.com/y-crdt/y-crdt (rust implementation started by the creator of Yjs, Kevin Jahns)

* https://github.com/y-crdt/ypy (python bindings for the rust implementation)

* https://github.com/josephg/diamond-types (Seph Gentle's rust implementation of YATA, the algorith behind Yjs)

I found the concept of conflict-free relational data types (CRDTS) interesting as it allows you to have fully offline experiences while also having a conflict-free syncing experience. I was looking for some good libraries and came across automerge and yrs, but both had some rough APIs as they're primarily low-level libraries that are wrapped by TypeScript APIs.

Yrs (Yjs on Rust) maintainer here: we actually had some idea about building extension to Postgres ;) See: https://github.com/y-crdt/y-crdt/issues/220

Hi everyone! Author here. I'm happy to answer questions.

I wrote this a couple years ago. Since then I've been working on my own CRDT called Diamond Types[1], which uses a lot of these ideas to be bonkers fast. I've built several OT based collaborative editing systems, and diamond types is much faster than any of them - though rust and wasm might be the real MVPs here. I wrote a follow-up to this article last year when I got that working, talking about how some of the optimizations work. That article is here[2].

A fair bit has changed since I wrote that article. Yjs has started a rewrite in rust (called yrs[3]). And Automerge has apparently dramatically improved performance based on some of the ideas I talk about in this article. Oh, and diamond types has been rewritten from the ground up. Its now about 5x faster than it was last year, by completely changing the internal structure. But thats a story for another day.

Unfortunately I still only support collaborative text editing. Adding full JSON support comes soon, after I document some more of the tricks I'm doing. Its really fun work!

Why do I only support collaborative text editing? Because I care about performance, and text CRDT performance is hard because you have so many individual changes. (One for each keystroke!). Making text editing fast means everything is fast. But we've still got to do the work. To make that happen, my plan is to add full JSON editing support to diamond types using shelf[4]. Shelf is a super simple CRDT which fits in 100 lines of javascript.

[1] https://github.com/josephg/diamond-types/

[2] https://josephg.com/blog/crdts-go-brrr/

[3] https://github.com/y-crdt/y-crdt/tree/main/yrs

[4] https://github.com/dglittle/shelf

Substrate and Lighthouse use libp2p as a networking stack for communication between nodes. The libp2p framework is a versatile modular peer-to-peer networking stack. It provides a collections of abstractions, mechanisms, and protocols for facilitating communication in P2P systems. In particular, libp2p supports multiple transport mechanisms (TCP, QUIC, WebSocket, WebTransport, etc.), encryption schemes (TLS and Noise), and stream multiplexing. Higher-level protocols in libp2p are implemented on top of reliable, ordered, bidirectional binary streams, which are transparently encrypted and multiplexed by the framework.

It's a peer-to-peer "engine" with switchable components. Seems to run on different platforms (browsers, mobile, desktop, server).

At a glance, it looks pretty much like libp2p (https://libp2p.io/) but seems to integrate with libp2p as well (meaning you should be able to use Bifrost on one end, and libp2p on the other), so I'm guessing there is at least some fundamental difference, but I cannot spot it. Seems to use slightly different terminology compared to libp2p.

ComposeDB is a graph database created by 3BoxLabs, a company well-known in the Web3 ecosystem for their work on decentralized identifiers (DIDs) and their main product the Ceramic network. Ceramic is a network of nodes that store and share composable data streams on top of libp2p, the network stack that also powers IPFS.

Yes, there is already a Rust version (https://github.com/libp2p/rust-libp2p) that behaves well at this level but I think we can reach a higher level of performance on this point with Zig. Also, if you look at the long term roadmap of libp2p (https://github.com/libp2p/specs/blob/master/ROADMAP.md), the mobile devices and IoT integrations for example are part of the considerations.

libp2p

At Filecoin Foundation, we see the technologies in the Filecoin ecosystem offering rock-steady stepping stones to this better future. Libp2p lets individual users find and talk to each other, without needing central servers. IPFS gives new services a way to find data, wherever it is stored — freeing them from dependence on one social media company over another and letting users move from one service to another. The Filecoin network itself, with incentivized storage, not only provides a provably stable basis for hosting content, but also shines a light on the kind of incentive systems that will enable independent social media to sustain and provide for itself for the long run, without relying on the largesse of the current tech giants.

Maybe https://libp2p.io

So, after rolling my eyes and saying to myself 'not another web3 protocol', I began to understand the need for something new that not only takes advantage of the cutting edge in peer to peer networking but also acknowledges the fact that the client-server architecture is also not going away (which is incredibly important in a world full of low-powered, embedded devices).