rust-libp2p VS freenet-core

* (i.e. WebRTC: https://github.com/libp2p/rust-libp2p/tree/master/examples/browser-webrtc)

Substrate and Lighthouse use libp2p as a networking stack for communication between nodes. The libp2p framework is a versatile modular peer-to-peer networking stack. It provides a collections of abstractions, mechanisms, and protocols for facilitating communication in P2P systems. In particular, libp2p supports multiple transport mechanisms (TCP, QUIC, WebSocket, WebTransport, etc.), encryption schemes (TLS and Noise), and stream multiplexing. Higher-level protocols in libp2p are implemented on top of reliable, ordered, bidirectional binary streams, which are transparently encrypted and multiplexed by the framework.

It's a peer-to-peer "engine" with switchable components. Seems to run on different platforms (browsers, mobile, desktop, server).

At a glance, it looks pretty much like libp2p (https://libp2p.io/) but seems to integrate with libp2p as well (meaning you should be able to use Bifrost on one end, and libp2p on the other), so I'm guessing there is at least some fundamental difference, but I cannot spot it. Seems to use slightly different terminology compared to libp2p.

ComposeDB is a graph database created by 3BoxLabs, a company well-known in the Web3 ecosystem for their work on decentralized identifiers (DIDs) and their main product the Ceramic network. Ceramic is a network of nodes that store and share composable data streams on top of libp2p, the network stack that also powers IPFS.

Yes, there is already a Rust version (https://github.com/libp2p/rust-libp2p) that behaves well at this level but I think we can reach a higher level of performance on this point with Zig. Also, if you look at the long term roadmap of libp2p (https://github.com/libp2p/specs/blob/master/ROADMAP.md), the mobile devices and IoT integrations for example are part of the considerations.

libp2p

That's here: https://github.com/freenet/freenet-core

Anything under "hyphanet" belongs to the old Java version, see https://freenet.org/ for the new version.

The new Freenet[1]. Edge compute on stereoids, fully decentralized applications and data. No distinction between server/client, everything is a network node.

https://freenet.org/

Thank you for the kind words.

We are working on some more practical examples, we do have a simple email app [1] and recently completed a more "hello world" type example freenet-ping [2].

Right now our focus is on getting the network up and running (hopefully we're days away - just tracking down some final bugs), but some good practical example apps is high on our todo list.

[1] https://github.com/freenet/freenet-core/tree/main/apps/freen...

[2] https://github.com/freenet/freenet-core/tree/main/apps/freen...

I just picked Dioxus to build a decentralized homepage for Freenet[1], it will be the first decentralized website people see when they get Freenet set up. It reminds me a bit of my Kotlin web framework called Kweb[2] that I've been working on on-and-off for a few years now, particularly the way it handles state and the DSL that maps from code to HTML. So far I like what I see.

[1] https://freenet.org/

[2] https://kweb.io/

I find that surprising, even in 2010 it was difficult to find illegal content on Freenet unless you were looking at it - and certainly in recent years it's virtually impossible, the default indexes are carefully vetted.

In any case, the original Freenet was never going to be a general-purpose replacement for today's centralized services. For the past few years we've been working on a sequel to Freenet, you can learn about it at https://freenet.org/.

MaidSAFE appears to be just another IPFS which you can pay to get your data hosted on.

HyperCore apparently got acquired and they are a company seeling solutions to businesses.

Freenet 2023 is a FOSS project. I'm watching the matrix server for a while. Ian says they're launching the network in 2 weeks. It is a decentralized data store + runtime. So while the original Freenet was analogous to disk, Freenet 2023 is analogous to an entire computer. See https://freenet.org/

I loved playing around with Gemini. Something loosely along those lines can definitely work. Who knows what will become popular in the future. Extreme web page bloat leaves the door open.

Here are a couple of other alternative ideas for the web:

https://freenet.org/

https://github.com/runvnc/tersenet (an idea, not implemented)

I think cryptography is a decentralizing force in general, though its intersection with ML is small, Also, related things, steganography, differential privacy, federated learning, all things that tend to decentralize. Anonymizing text fingerprint with LLMs, ML-ish censor evading algo , possibility of a decentralized vector database