webpackage VS Podman Desktop

Good stuff. Still, drives me a bit nuts that we package/HTTP Signed Exchanges, Message Signatures, and web archiving all have very similar but different versions of the same thing.

Webpackage has a lot of stuff that seems super cool to me. Alas it seemed mainly to be a small handful of engineers & most seemed to have moved on from the effort. https://github.com/WICG/webpackage/issues/713

Given the frosty response in the comments they got I guess I'm not shocked, but in general it feels like web standards could use better long term care, that they often don't get, alas.

Some of the navigating into a bundle stuff is indeed not presently happening.

But there's a bunch of specs for signed exchanges & subresources that underpin & allow resource exchange, and which do have recent drafts. Webpackage seems to be doing OK ish. But yeah we bundles specifically do seem to be all expired.

https://github.com/WICG/webpackage#specifications

Cool idea, but what I'm really hoping is that webpackage gets properly developed and integrated with browsers eventually. Unfortunately it probably won't happen, a tiny chunk of Google showed interest but that's about it.

With certificate transparency, I dont think SXG's expiration s a real barrier to adoption. The hardnosed shitty browser attitude aroumd right now: it will collapse in the face of onvious utility, other people will implememt more aspirational & liberal systems. This stance is untennable im the face of the obvious huge value of being able to lool at old signed content, particularly when coupled with certificate transparency systems. This conservative standard will is just a minimal & onvious agreeable starting place, but adoption will give way to expansion, given the immense user value of signed content. I say this as a core core protester against these pathetic loserly expiration timeouts[1].

I get maybe not putting all your chips in SXG basket. I disagree with a bunch of the protest: this seems like a sensible, basic, obvious layered enhancement to the existimg web. Safari & Mozia are as is the modd today being terrible shits as usual, the regressives.

Contrasting ADX versus SXG just feels so wild, because SXG is a small refinememt to a vast world spanning & complete ecosystem of technology that has already taken over the planet. And ADX is an standalone completely isolated alternate world, it's own reality. This tension, whether we need a baseline which is 100% new & novel & redefines the entire problem space on it's own terms, completely from scratch, or whether we can hack & improve & enhance what we have: I dont feel like there's any camp at all left to defend improvememt.

Tear it all down, start over... it's the mode. I agree, this debate needs more than HM comments. But this tension & conflict, this view of the world & how it evolves or revolts: it's been trying to make revutions & insist no bounds, nothing today can possibly be good enough for tomorrow. And two plus decades latter, it's made such tiny impact, is so niche.

I accept your snub, getting told im exasperated, but it's for a real reason, it's because these decades have failed to deliver & so few have willingly tried improving what is (Safari & Mozia being a quite vocal modern anchor keeling things in place, a modern astrpturfing shouting class against trying anything, especially). This effort does have the social capital to perhaps emerge & birth something new, but we could also just improve & greatly fix everything that ready is. With minor, layered, small, principled enhancements.

[1] https://github.com/WICG/webpackage/issues/597

signed web bundles [1] let you package up a page as a fixed resource, distributed with a signature to verify that the content of that page is what the author intended it to be, so a site like twitter that is embedding it can be sure that what they're embedding is always the original resource.

however, this is AMP, and so everybody hates it.

[1] https://github.com/WICG/webpackage/blob/main/explainers/sign...

A phyrric victory for a Web that is basically ChromeOS.

Ever heard of Web Bundles?

https://web.dev/web-bundles/

https://github.com/WICG/webpackage

I think advertising is positive [1] and the role of ads in funding freely-available sites is very important. My current work is primarily on how browsers can allow more private and secure advertising [2][3][4] which I think most people will agree is valuable even if they are less in favor of advertising in general.

At a lower level, I do this job because I'm paid, which allows me to donate. [5] But I wouldn't do this work if I thought it was harmful; there are lots of different kinds of jobs I could take.

[1] https://www.jefftk.com/p/effect-of-advertising

[2] https://github.com/google/fledge-shim

[3] https://github.com/WICG/turtledove/issues/161

[4] https://github.com/WICG/webpackage/issues/624

[5] https://www.jefftk.com/donations

data urls encode things in base64 format so bloat up the file. Also the user agent can't just seek over them, requiring it to parse the entire included base64 content. There are better ways, but sadly nothing cross platform:

* https://github.com/WICG/webpackage

* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Webarchive

A new, search-driven command palette is now available to enable quick access to various commands available across 🦭 Podman Desktop. You can try this new tool out by hitting the F1 key. #4081 && #3979

Please share this experience and what went wrong with the postman team. It is the only way things can improve.

You don’t have to solve the problem. Just state your problem. If you need inspiration, here is an example: https://github.com/containers/podman-desktop/issues/868

I wanted to try a while ago so I downloaded Podman Desktop, but I couldn't get past the initial setup due to issues in the desktop app. I was able to reproduce this on two or three Macs, can't recall exactly.

It has been a long-standing issue but seems as though it is on its way to resolution: https://github.com/containers/podman-desktop/issues/1633.

I am waiting for a few months to make sure it is all sorted and will try again to see if it works then.

I'm not happy with Podman Desktop's Svelte GUI.

Antd or MUI (React) feel much more mature.

But they are working on it.

https://github.com/containers/podman-desktop/pull/2863

I don't know if that's really a core difference from podman. Assuming I track your meaning Podman has GUI management as well and it can be made to integrate with system and can produce Kubernetes manifests from the pods you define locally.

Optional extensions will follow their own lifecycle and update independently from Podman Desktop. As of this release you'll be able to see when there is an update available and install from within Podman Desktop #2655.

Podman Desktop 0.15 embeds Podman 4.5 in Windows and macOS installers #2115.

u/Chunkypewpewpew it's karpersky that has a false positive https://github.com/containers/podman-desktop/issues/700

Podman Desktop has a new release: you can check milestone v0.11.0 and Release Notes

> docker desktop is pretty dead now that it's got restrictive licensing etc...

It would probably be nice to hear more about why you think this is! I've certainly heard of some having to move away from Docker Desktop.

However, at the scale where you need a license (250 employees or 10 million $ in annual revenue) it's not quite as big of an issue, especially at their current pricing per seat: https://www.docker.com/pricing/

> stick to standard open source tools like Colima etc...

Sticking to open source is a great idea!

I think mentioning that Colima runs on macOS and Linux only at the moment is also a good idea: https://github.com/abiosoft/colima

A large market share of the Docker Desktop installs are Windows in particular (since it's "the one way" how most install Docker nowadays, as opposed to not really needing a GUI or the supporting tools on Linux).

In another comment I mentioned Podman Desktop as a mostly viable alternative: https://github.com/containers/podman-desktop

Then there's also Rancher Desktop as well: https://github.com/rancher-sandbox/rancher-desktop

Regardless, it's nice to see reputable orgs behind the open source projects as well, which gives a bit more credence to their chances of surviving for the years to come.