vector VS FrameworkBenchmarks

I am thinking about using https://vector.dev/ but would also love opinions on the best deal for lower or reasonable cost storage/querying of logs. Thanks!

job "vector" { datacenters = ["dc1"] # system job, runs on all nodes type = "system" group "vector" { count = 1 network { port "api" { to = 8686 } } ephemeral_disk { size = 500 sticky = true } task "vector" { driver = "docker" config { image = "timberio/vector:0.30.0-debian" ports = ["api"] volumes = ["/var/run/docker.sock:/var/run/docker.sock"] } env { VECTOR_CONFIG = "local/vector.toml" VECTOR_REQUIRE_HEALTHY = "false" } resources { cpu = 100 # 100 MHz memory = 100 # 100MB } # template with Vector's configuration template { destination = "local/vector.toml" change_mode = "signal" change_signal = "SIGHUP" # overriding the delimiters to [[ ]] to avoid conflicts with Vector's native templating, which also uses {{ }} left_delimiter = "[[" right_delimiter = "]]" data=<

we are doing something similar with OTEL but we are looking at using https://vector.dev/

We don't pull logs, we forward logs to a centralized logging service.

opensearch - amazon fork of Elasticsearch https://opensearch.org/docs/latestif you do this an have distributed log sources you'd use logstash for, bin off logstash and use vector (https://vector.dev/) its better out of the box for SaaS stuff.

I have done something similar in the past: you can send the logs through a centralized syslog servers (I suggest syslog-ng) and from there ingest into ELK. For parsing I am advice to use something like Vector, is a lot more faster than logstash. When you have your logs ingested correctly, you can create your own dashboard in Kibana. If this fit your requirements, no need to install nginx (unless you want to use as reverse proxy for Kibana), php and mysql.

I think there's nothing currently that combines both logging and metrics into one easy package and visualizes it, but it's also something I would love to have.

Vector[1] would work as the agent, being able to collect both logs and metrics. But the issue would then be storing it. I'm assuming the Elastic Stack might now be able to do both, but it's just to heavy to deal with in a small setup.

A couple of months ago I took a brief look at that when setting up logging for my own homelab (https://pv.wtf/posts/logging-and-the-homelab). Mostly looking at the memory usage to fit it on my synology. Quickwit[2] and Log-Store[3] both come with built in web interfaces that reduce the need for grafana, but neither of them do metrics.

- [1] https://vector.dev

Log to stdout/stderr and collect your logs with a tool like vector (vector.dev) and send it to something like Grafana Loki.

Neat. Thanks for sharing!

Interestingly, may-minihttp is faring very well in the TechEmpower benchmark [1], for whatever those benchmarks are worth. The code is also surprisingly straightforward [2].

[1] https://www.techempower.com/benchmarks/

[2] https://github.com/TechEmpower/FrameworkBenchmarks/blob/mast...

ntex was formed after a schism in actix-web and Rust safety/unsafety, with ntex allowing more unsafe code for better performance.

ntex is at the top of the TechEmpower benchmarks, although those benchmarks are not apples-to-apples since each uses its own tricks: https://www.techempower.com/benchmarks/#hw=ph&test=fortune&s...

Ruby is slow. Very slow. How much you may ask? https://www.techempower.com/benchmarks/#hw=ph&test=fortune&s... fastest Ruby entry is at 272th place. Sure, top entries tend to have questionable benchmark-golfing implementations, but it gives you a good primer on the overhead imposed by Ruby.

It is also not early 00s anymore, when you pick an interpreted language, you are not getting "better productivity and tooling". In fact, most interpreted languages lag behind other major languages significantly in the form of JS/TS, Python and Ruby suffering from different woes when it comes to package management and publishing. I would say only TS/JS manages to stand apart with being tolerable, and Python sometimes too by a virtue of its popularity and the amount of information out there whenever you need to troubleshoot.

If you liked Go but felt it being a too verbose to your liking, give .NET a try. I am advocating for it here on HN mostly for fun but it is, in fact, highly underappreciated, considered unsexy and boring while it's anything but after a complete change of trajectory in the last 3-5 years. It is actually the* stack people secretly want but simply don't know about because it is bundled together with Java in the public perception.

*productive CLI tooling, high performance, works well in a really wide range of workloads from low to high level, by far the best ORM across all languages and back-end framework that is easier to work with than Node.JS while consuming 0.1x resources

Although that seems to have improved in recent years.

https://www.techempower.com/benchmarks/#hw=ph&test=json§...

RoR and whatever C++ based web backend there is count as a valid comparison in my book. But comparing the languages itself is maybe a bit off.

On a side note, you can actually compare their performance here if you’re really curious. But take it with a grain of salt since these are synthetic benchmarks.

https://www.techempower.com/benchmarks

Most benchmarks you'll find essentially have someone's thumb on the scale (intentionally or unintentionally). Most people won't know the different languages well enough to create comparable implementations and if you let different people create the implementations, cheating happens. The TechEmpower benchmarks aren't bad, but many implementations put their thumb on the scale (https://www.techempower.com/benchmarks). For example, a lot of the Go implementations avoid the GC by pre-allocating/reusing structs or allocate arrays knowing how big they need to be in advance (despite that being against the rules). At some point, it becomes "how many features have you turned off." Some Go http routers (like fasthttp and those built off it like Atreugo and Fiber) aren't actually correct and a lot of people in the Go community discourage their use, but they certainly top the benchmarks. Gin and Echo are usually the ones that are well-respected in the Go community.

There is certainly a lot of speculation in Techempower benchmarks and top entries can utilize questionable techniques like simply writing a byte array literal to output stream instead of constructing a response, or (in the past) DB query coalescing to work around inherent limitations of the DB in case of Fortunes or DB quries.

And yet, the fastest Ruby entry is at 274th place while Rails is at 427th.

https://www.techempower.com/benchmarks/#hw=ph&test=fortune&s...

oh what machine? with how many workers? doing what?

search for "node" on this page: https://www.techempower.com/benchmarks/#section=data-r21

JustJS would like a word https://www.techempower.com/benchmarks/#section=data-r20&tes...

In terms of RPS, this web service is more-or-less the fortunes benchmark in the techempower benchmarks, once the data hits the cache: https://www.techempower.com/benchmarks/#section=data-r21

Or, at least, they would be after applying optimizations to them.

In short, both of these would serve more rps than you will likely ever need on even the lowest end virtual machines. The underlying API provider will probably cut you off from querying them before you run out of RPS.