trio VS NATS

Incidentally, the alternative event loop implementation trio in python does not have "gather", you also need channels, and it's a deliberate design choice - there is some discussion about that in this ticket https://github.com/python-trio/trio/issues/2188

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I'll +1 the Trio shoutout [1], but it's worth emphasizing that the core concept of Trio (nurseries) now exists in the stdlib in the form of task groups [2]. The article mentions this very briefly, but it's easy to miss, and I wouldn't describe it as a solution to this bug, anyways. Rather, it's more of a different way of writing multitasking code, which happens to make this class of bug impossible.

[1] https://github.com/python-trio/trio

[2] https://docs.python.org/3/library/asyncio-task.html#task-gro...

It's similar to manual memory management.

Structured concurrency is one approach to solving this problem. In a structured concurrency a promise would not go out of scope unhandled. Not sure how you would add APIs for it though.

See Python's trio nurseries idea which uses a python context manager.

https://github.com/python-trio/trio

I'm working on a syntax for state machines and it could be used as a DSL for promises. It looks similar to a bash pipeline but it matches predicates similar to prolog.

In theory you could wire up a tree of structured concurrency with this DSL.

https://github.com/samsquire/ideas4#558-assign-location-mult...

Not complete - doesn't include Task Groups [1]

In fairness they were only included in asyncio as of Python 3.11, which was released a couple of weeks ago.

These were an idea originally from Trio [2] where they're called "nurseries" instead of "task groups". My view is that you're better off using Trio, or at least anyio [3] which gives a Trio-like interface to asyncio. One particularly nice thing about Trio (and anyio) is that there's no way to spawn background tasks except to use task groups i.e. there's no analogue of asyncio's create_task() function. That is good because it guarantees that no task is ever left accidentally running in the background and no exception left silently uncaught.

[1] https://docs.python.org/3/library/asyncio-task.html#task-gro...

[2] https://github.com/python-trio/trio

[3] https://anyio.readthedocs.io/en/latest/

Several message brokers, such as NATS and database queues, are not supported by OpenTelemetry (OTel) SDKs. This article will guide you on how to use context propagation explicitly with these message queues.

https://nats.io/ (Tracker removed)

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I guess I don't need to know what it is

During our interview, we referred to NATS quite a few times! If you want to learn more about it, Sebastian suggests this tutorial series.

Pueue dumps the state of the queue to the disk as JSON every time the state changes, so when you have a lot of queued jobs this results in considerable disk io. I actually changed it to compress the state file via zstd which helped quite a bit but then eventually just moved on to running NATS [1] locally.

[1] https://nats.io/

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Why wasn't NATS[1] used ?

Written in Go, single-binary deployment... there's a lot to love about NATS !

[1]https://nats.io/

require nats.io

About cost, see [1]. Also, S3 prices have been increasing and there's been a bunch of alternative offers for object store from other companies. I think people in here (HN) comment often about increasing costs of AWS offerings.

Distributed systems and consensus are inherently hard problem, but there are a lot of implementations that you can study (like Etcd that you mention, or NATS [2], which I've been playing with and looks super cool so far :-p) if you want to understand the internals, on top of many books and papers released.

Again, I never said it was "easy" to build distributed systems, I just don't think there's any esoteric knowledge to what S3 provides.

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1: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economies_of_scale

2: https://nats.io/

I am in a project were nats.io is used. Someone thought, it would be a great idea to link data in an event with data in a response using the response channel name.