tfjs VS wonnx

TensorFlow.js

Many people seem to be unaware of tensorflow.js, an official JS implementation of TF

https://github.com/tensorflow/tfjs

I'd love to see PyTorch in JS, but I think unless you get it running on the GPU it won't be able to do much.

TensorflowJS GitHub Repository

Also, Tensorflow.js WebGPU backend has been in the works for quite some time: https://github.com/tensorflow/tfjs/tree/master/tfjs-backend-...

It's a pity that tfjs never truly developed any decent ops. E.g. you need lgamma to implement the cap for zero-inflated poisson regression and tfjs simply doesn't have that: https://github.com/tensorflow/tfjs/issues/2011

People have been doing it for long with WebGL, see eg https://github.com/tensorflow/tfjs and https://cloudblogs.microsoft.com/opensource/2021/09/02/onnx-...

thanks, no not unity, going to show it as a demo with threejs + tensorflow on the web. I found a github request to add face orientation https://github.com/tensorflow/tfjs/issues/3835 looks like they assigned someone to add it but doesn't look like its available yet, but there's some posts about the math I can use to get rotations based on some of the landmarks

There already exist a wide variety of neural network inference engines that run in web browsers (e.g. TensorFlow.js and, my personal favorite for use with PyTorch models, ONNX Runtime Web), but pre- and post-processing has always required imperative manipulations on flat buffers rather than a clean ndarray interface.

Full docs and code: https://github.com/tensorflow/tfjs/tree/master/e2e/benchmarks/local-benchmark

The two I know of are IREE and Kompute[1]. I'm not sure how much momentum the latter has, I don't see it referenced much. There's also a growing body of work that uses Vulkan indirectly through WebGPU. This is currently lagging in performance due to lack of subgroups and cooperative matrix mult, but I see that gap closing. There I think wonnx[2] has the most momentum, but I am aware of other efforts.

[1]: https://kompute.cc/

[2]: https://github.com/webonnx/wonnx

To a first approximation, Kompute[1] is that. It doesn't seem to be catching on, I'm seeing more buzz around WebGPU solutions, including wonnx[2] and more hand-rolled approaches, and IREE[3], the latter of which has a Vulkan back-end.

[1]: https://kompute.cc/

[2]: https://github.com/webonnx/wonnx

[3]: https://github.com/openxla/iree

There's also a third-party WebGPU implementation: https://github.com/webonnx/wonnx

By experimental I meant e.g. using WGPU to run compute shaders like wonnx, which is working fine but only on a very restricted set of devices and browsers.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35696031 ... TIL about wonnx: https://github.com/webonnx/wonnx#in-the-browser-using-webgpu...

microsoft/onnxruntime: https://github.com/microsoft/onnxruntime

Apache/arrow has language-portable Tensors for cpp: https://arrow.apache.org/docs/cpp/api/tensor.html and rust: https://docs.rs/arrow/latest/arrow/tensor/struct.Tensor.html and Python: https://arrow.apache.org/docs/python/api/tables.html#tensors https://arrow.apache.org/docs/python/generated/pyarrow.Tenso...

Fwiw it looks like the llama.cpp Tensor is from ggml, for which there are CUDA and OpenCL implementations (but not yet ROCm, or a WebGPU shim for use with emscripten transpilation to WASM): https://github.com/ggerganov/llama.cpp/blob/master/ggml.h

Are the recommendable ways to cast e.g. arrow Tensors to pytorch/tensorflow?

FWIU, Rust has a better compilation to WASM; and that's probably faster than already-compiled-to-JS/ES TensorFlow + WebGPU.

What's a fair benchmark?

wonnx has done some fantastic work in this regard, so that's where we plan to start once we get there. In terms of general discussion of alternate backends, see this issue.

> GPU in other ways, such as training ML models and then using them via an inference engine all powered by your local GPU?

Have a look at wonnix https://github.com/webonnx/wonnx

A WebGPU-accelerated ONNX inference run-time written 100% in Rust, ready for native and the web

Looking forward to your WebGPU ML runtime! Also, why not contribute back to WONNX? (https://github.com/webonnx/wonnx)

You can indeed perform inference using WebGPU (see e.g. [1] for GPU-accelerated inference of ONNX models on WebGPU; I am one of the authors).

The point made above is that WebGPU can only be used for GPU's and not really for other types of 'neural accelerators' (like e.g. the ANE on Apple devices).

[1] https://github.com/webonnx/wonnx