sw-transfer-stream VS workerd

To achieve this specific task, once an HTML page is loaded into the browser, and a ServiceWorker is registered for that scope, the server does not need to remain active to maintain the functionality of intercepting requests from the Web page (popup window) to the ServiceWorker, where the ServiceWorker can itself make requests to, for example, the same local server to execute parec and pipe output to multiple EventSource responses within the same initial connection, or pipe data to a single ReadableStream served with Response() and event.respondWith(), e.g., see https://github.com/guest271314/offscreen-webrtc, https://github.com/guest271314/sw-transfer-stream.

I've already built it https://github.com/guest271314/captureSystemAudio#web-accessible-resources-transferable-streams-media-capture-transform-breakout-box, https://github.com/guest271314/captureSystemAudio/blob/master/native_messaging/capture_system_audio/capture_system_audio.js; see also https://github.com/guest271314/sw-transfer-stream and https://github.com/guest271314/offscreen-webrtc. I'm just trying to reduce steps https://github.com/guest271314/requestClient.

Yes, you can create an iframe and/or a new window that you have complete control of to execute arbitrary code using either localhost or an extension; e.g., https://github.com/guest271314/sw-transfer-stream, https://github.com/guest271314/offscreen-webrtc.

Open new window to transfer data from ServiceWorker to arbitrary Web page https://github.com/guest271314/sw-transfer-stream

There are workarounds which involve using an iframe https://github.com/guest271314/persistent-serviceworker/tree/main/chromium_extension_web_accessible_resources_iframe_message_event or window.open() https://github.com/guest271314/sw-transfer-stream or and offscreen document https://github.com/guest271314/offscreen-webrtc with WebRTC - however that involves loading an entire HTML document, and each has its own deficienfies - with all of the Window features that we do not really need just to transfer data between the Web page I have control of and the ServiceWorker I have control of.

Standards bodies only standardize things after they've been proven to work. You can't standardize a new idea before offering it to the market. It's hard enough to get just one vendor to experiment with an idea (it literally took me years to convince everyone inside Cloudflare that we should build Durable Objects). Getting N competing vendors to agree on it -- before anything has been proven in the market -- is simply not possible.

But the Durable Objects API is not complicated and there's nothing stopping competing platforms from building a compatible product if they want. Much of the implementation is open source, even. In fact, if you build an app on DO but decide you don't want to host it on Cloudflare, you can self-host it on workerd:

https://github.com/cloudflare/workerd

In any case, I welcome this initiative with my open hands and look forward all the cool apps that people will now build with this!

[1] https://pyodide.org/

[2] https://github.com/cloudflare/workerd/blob/main/docs/pyodide...

[3] https://github.com/cloudflare/workerd/pull/1875

For ref:

- https://blog.cloudflare.com/workerd-open-source-workers-runt...

- https://github.com/cloudflare/workerd

workerd

I think this is for people who want to run their own cloudflare workers (sort of) and since nobody wants to run full node for that, they want a small runtime that just executes js/wasm in an isolated way. But I wonder why they don't tell me how I can be sure that this is safe or how it's safe. Surely I can't just trust them and it explicitly mentions that it still has file IO so clearly there is still work I need to do customize the isolation further. But then they don't show any info on that core usecase. But then that's probably because they don't really want you to use this to run it on your own, they are selling you on running things on their edge platform called "Wasmer Edge". So that's probably why this is so light on information.. the motivation isn't to get you to use this yourself, just to use this their hosted edge platform. But then I wonder why I wouldn't just use https://github.com/cloudflare/workerd which is also open source. Surely that is fast enough? If not then it should show some benchmarks?

i love how the main reference for workerd can be just one capnp file.

https://github.com/cloudflare/workerd/blob/main/src/workerd/...

this changed my world how i think about computing on the web.

if there was just a good enough js library as for lua and you could directly send capnp messages to workerd instead of always going through files. I guess one day i have to relearn c++ and understand how the internals actually work.

A significant chunk of it is open source: https://github.com/cloudflare/workerd/

Some of the configuration files for applications wind up being an entire language unto themselves, e.g., https://github.com/cloudflare/workerd/blob/1b5057f2bfcfedf146f6f79ff04e99903d55412b/src/workerd/io/compatibility-date.capnp

Edge runtimes are very good alternatives to containers that shouldn't be dismissed for "not being containers". They're often faster, more scalable, and cheaper than containers. Them being so lightweight also enable a "nanoservice architecture" – being able to run every service on a single computer instead of running different services on different computers and having to deal with network latency and unreliability.