submillisecond VS Soccer

I believe that https://github.com/lunatic-solutions/submillisecond wants to be that.

Lunatic is exciting, I'm keeping an eye especially on the submillisecond web framework that targets wasm: https://github.com/lunatic-solutions/submillisecond

- https://github.com/lunatic-solutions/submillisecond/tree/mai...

Lunatic runtime for Rust to avoid the async parts might become quite nice in the future: https://github.com/lunatic-solutions/submillisecond

Not sure what it might take for someone to write database connectors for it but it does look promising.

What a coincidence, I was just discussing on discord a similar approach for our Rust web framework submillisecond[0].

Submillisecond uses lunatic to run Rust code compiled to WebAssembly on the backend. We are working on a LiveView-like library now. And one thing I would love to give developers for free is an offline-first experience. You write everything in Rust, compile it to WebAssembly, run it as a regular backend on lunatic, but also allow for moving the whole server into the browser for a offline experience. If SQLite is used for the DB, it could also potentially run in the browser.

This doesn't need to move the whole app into the browser, but could do so just for more latency sensitive workloads that don't fit LiveView well. Like form validation on every keypress, etc.

[0]: https://github.com/lunatic-solutions/submillisecond

Web socket support was added a few days ago[0], but it's still not part of a release. I will probably push out alpha1 tomorrow including it and a few other changes.

[0]: https://github.com/lunatic-solutions/submillisecond/pull/78

A soccer tracking app for who is playing and who isn't and what positions.[^1] A weight tracking application.[^2] A time tracker for how many hours my daughter was driving.[^3] An app to help my wife randomly pick meals for the upcoming week.[^4] Logic (CLI) to organize finances with hledger. A back end to work with all my offline-first web apps (the first 3 apps).[^5]

[^1]: https://github.com/jon49/Soccer

I've successfully used this pattern (HTMX hypermedia style) to create an offline-first web app SPA[^1]. One of the pages is pretty dynamic and I wasn't sure if I would need a traditional front end library to work with it. But, nope, hypermedia to the win, it worked fine without a front end framework.

To build it I used my own library called HTMF[^2]. I started out using mpa-enhancer[^3] but found that that pattern is a little to janky sometimes. I think reloading a page every time on every interaction uses too many resources for a browser especially when you use a phone that doesn't have as much power as a laptop.

But overall I find the pattern very easy to use and keeps the complexity down.

I think some of the issues with traditional SPAs is that they have a lot of state and state is nonlinear in complexity. But using templating systems makes the complexity more linear in nature.

Also, I find libraries like React to be overly complex for what it does, see above. The way React works is just odd and counter intuitive. All for problems that are easy to solve. I do think there are places for a React-like library is needed but those are for websites that are inherently highly state-based. But most websites aren't state-based even ones that appear to be state-based at first.

The websites I work on are usually just forms and forms are pretty powerful and can get you a long ways before you need to go outside of that paradigm.

[^1]: https://github.com/jon49/Soccer

[^2]: https://github.com/jon49/htmf

[^3]: https://github.com/jon49/mpa-enhancer

I've created an offline-first web app which is based on service workers. I've created another one that could be pushed to the back end (like on Node.js) that would be just a straight MPA app. I guess both of them could be pushed to the back end if needed. Since I just use them for myself I don't worry about them not working without JS enabled. But I created HTMF, similar to HTMX but made to be a progressive enhancement from the get-go.

https://github.com/jon49/Soccer \