setuptools VS cinder

To be fair, that seems to have been a 2 year warning:

https://github.com/pypa/setuptools/commit/3544de73b3662a27fa...

There was/is some discussion in setuptools about how to normalize the tarball (https://github.com/pypa/setuptools/issues/2133#issuecomment-...) coudl something similar be applied to Building Python itself ?

❯ yay -Sy python-setuptools python-jaraco.text ❯ pip show setuptools Name: setuptools Version: 67.7.0 Summary: Easily download, build, install, upgrade, and uninstall Python packages Home-page: https://github.com/pypa/setuptools Author: Python Packaging Authority Author-email: [email protected] License: Location: /usr/lib/python3.11/site-packages Requires: jaraco.text, more-itertools, ordered-set, packaging, platformdirs, tomli, validate-pyproject Required-by: Cerberus, fs, httpie, input-remapper, pecan, pycountry, python-lsp-server, reuse, setuptools-scm, zc.lockfile

Link: https://github.com/pypa/setuptools/issues/3772

For example, when it comes to Python, one option is to use the same packaging system that a huge number of open-source libraries and tools are published with. You can use setuptools or Hatch to build a "packaged" version of your code, and publish it to either the public PyPi repository or an internal one that you set up. Then your users can use pip to install your package, automatically fetch its dependencies, and keep it up to date, just like any other Python module.

You could maybe make it a click Application, and use setuptools.

Not sure how advisable it is to depend on setup.py given the setuptools team has very clearly stated that they are not interested in supporting any cli commands anymore including setup.py install. Relavant PR

Meta is actually contributing directly to upstream cpython. If you really wanted to, the internal fork is also open source: https://github.com/facebookincubator/cinder

Just one example: last year Meta open-sourced Cinder, which powers Instagram and provides sizeable speedups compared to CPython.

I used to work on the Cinder JIT and can help document any passes you find interesting or confusing.

You might enjoy Cinder then. It's based on CPython so it is nearly 100% compatible.

https://github.com/facebookincubator/cinder/

Disclaimer: I used to work on it.

I think Cinder's Static Python, which also performs runtime type checking, is more ambitious. Though it's not production ready yet.

Here's a fork that implements that https://github.com/facebookincubator/cinder - it might be nice to one day get that up streamed but obviously it'll be controversial and it certainly needs more time to bake. Hopefully at some point we can make it a pip installable extension though.

The other thing that was interesting to me, was the potential of type annotations to help make for a faster, safer experience on the compiler end of things. One example is seen in Meta’s Cinder project, on the docs it explains how typing can be used to reduce the number of steps for the compiler ([cinder/static_python.rst at cinder/3.8 · facebookincubator/cinder · GitHub](https://github.com/facebookincubator/cinder/blob/cinder/3.8/CinderDoc/static_python.rst)), making it more effective.