seshat VS cordless

> Can you already say something about encrypted search support in Element X?

It's planned, and should be way easier to do than on old Element given we can hook the clientside search indexer (https://github.com/matrix-org/seshat), which happens to be in Rust, directly into matrix-rust-sdk and thence both EIX and EAX. Whereas previously we'd have had to do custom integs with Seshat on EI and EA like the current one on Element Desktop, which just becomes a maintenance nightmare. Hopefully should be ready in the next months.

> Also since you mentioned it, is multiaccount support something that we can realistically expect to see in Element X someday (maybe even in a v1.0?). If I remember correctly for the previous iterations of the clients the status was mostly "maybe one day" or "the architecture does not really support it".

Definitely. We actually had it pre-Element in Matrix Console, and then it got lost in Element. The hope is to get it into Element X relatively early.

https://github.com/matrix-org/seshat - we’ve had it for years on desktop; just need to hook it up on mobile. it’s currently blocked behind unifying sdks, so we don’t have to do it twice in iOS & Android.

Excellent noise cancellation (and background noise elimination, microphone scratch noise elimination etc). Ideally you need something like https://krisp.ai/ or https://workspaceupdates.googleblog.com/2021/06/background-n... in the mix - but doing this in an E2EE-friendly and privacy preserving manner is Hard. However, just like we solved E2EE full text search by doing it clientside and making the indexes gossipable between your clients (https://github.com/matrix-org/seshat), we'll have a go at doing something similar for this problem too.

The competitive gap with Discord in terms of media quality is probably something like:

* Need a low-latency SFU. This should be very doable; not only are there a lot of good FOSS SFUs to build on top of these days, the history of the Matrix team is actually that we built VoIP stacks fulltime before we shifted focus to Matrix, and we've built MCUs and media servers of all flavours in the past. MSC3401 should also give us a competitive edge given latency will be automagically minimised by using the physically closest decentralised SFU, and letting anyone bring their SFU to the party.

* Needs a SFU with good rate control (and/or FEC). This is probably the single most important thing to get right in terms of quality. Signal wrote up a good overview of why: https://signal.org/blog/how-to-build-encrypted-group-calls/

* Excellent noise cancellation (and background noise elimination, microphone scratch noise elimination etc). Ideally you need something like https://krisp.ai/ or https://workspaceupdates.googleblog.com/2021/06/background-n... in the mix - but doing this in an E2EE-friendly and privacy preserving manner is Hard. However, just like we solved E2EE full text search by doing it clientside and making the indexes gossipable between your clients (https://github.com/matrix-org/seshat), we'll have a go at doing something similar for this problem too.

* Excellent automatic gain control. The importance of normalising/compressing everyone's audio so they're equivalent loudness is really important.

We're also in the process of adding in spatial audio (unsure if Discord has that) which should help a tonne with distinguishing the different audio feeds.

We can probably also be more bullish about supporting new audio codecs like Lyra.

Messages are stored in encrypted form on the Beeper server and the Beeper client has a local search index (the same one used by Element desktop: https://github.com/matrix-org/seshat)

There’s a lot of instances, for example the developer of one of the alternative clients https://github.com/Bios-Marcel/cordless

The cordless project https://github.com/Bios-Marcel/cordless is now abandoned and archived, and the maintainer has been banned for a ToS violation.

People who have been caught using third-party clients have been banned before.

The developer of the cordless Discord client got banned, presumably for using a third-party client.

The only blocking issue is that their success (and subsequent spam/abuse issues) is greater than their focus on open access, to the extent that they formally disallow 3rd party client access.

So at the one end of the spectrum with have IMAP/SMTP, in the middle we have things like Telegram (everything's GPL3! The protocol is terrible and here are all the details! Go nuts!)... and at the other end we have Discord: One Protocol, One Allowed Client™®©.

Do I use Discord? No.

Would I like to use Discord? Yes.

Why can't I use Discord? The client is too much for my older laptop.

Would I like to use Discord? Yes there are a pile of people on there I'm missing out

Can I do anything about it? Yes, I have two options:

1) use https://cancel.fm/ripcord/ until it suffers the same fate as https://github.com/Bios-Marcel/cordless

2) throw the whole thing to the wind until I have better hardware

Hmm. You know come to think about it the chances are people with similar interests are probably also stuck on older hardware too and probably won't be using Discord either...

> There are alternate Discord clients, and — unlike Slack — Discord doesn't try to actively prevent people from writing alternate clients against their API.

Yes, they do.

https://github.com/Bios-Marcel/cordless:

> Hey, so I know this is somewhat of a bummer, but I got banned because of ToS violation today. This seemed to be connected to creating a new PM channel via the /users/@me endpoint. As that's basically a confirmation for what we've believed would never be enforced, I decided to not work on the cordless project anymore. I'll be taking down cordless in package managers in hope that no new users will install it anymore without knowing the risks. I believe that if you manage to build it yourself, you've probably read the README and are aware of the risks. I'll keep the repository up, but might archive it at some point. And yes, you'll still be able to use existing binaries for as long as discord doesn't introduce any more breaking changes. However, be aware that the risk of getting a ban will only get higher with time!

https://github.com/atlx/discord-term:

> Disclaimer: So-called "self-bots" are against Discord's Terms of Service and therefore discouraged. I am not responsible for any loss or restriction whatsoever caused by using self-bots or this software. That being said, there's no one stopping you from risking using an account, so go head!

Worth noting the developer of another third party client, Cordless, recently had their account disabled, which ended with the project sadly being abandoned.

To be honest, I am a fan of the excellent cordless application. Unfortunately, the creator was banned from the service for violating the terms of service. So it is not recommended anymore.