rbs VS rubychanges

I saw no mention of RBS+Steep, the latter providing a LSP. I use it a lot and very much like it, although it's still young and needs love, but it's making good, steady progress! I've been very pleasantly surprised by some of the crazy things Steep can catch, completely statically!

You appear to be working on projects with Sorbet (which I tried to like but found it fell short in practice, notably outside of the app use case i.e it's mostly useless for gems) so it may be a tall order to try on those. Maybe you can give RBS+Steep a shot on some small project?

RBS: https://github.com/ruby/rbs

RBS collection (for those gems that don't ship RBS signatures in `sig`, integrates with bundler): https://github.com/ruby/gem_rbs_collection

Steep: https://github.com/soutaro/steep

VS Code: https://github.com/soutaro/steep-vscode

Sublime Text: https://github.com/sublimelsp/LSP

Vim (I'm working on it): https://github.com/dense-analysis/ale/pull/4671

I don't know what you mean by "Static typing is not webscale".

> https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39159481

Bugs exist in all code written in all programming languages and you will find bugs in programs written in statically typed languages too as you know. Programming languages are rarely chosen for the absense of bugs alone though or we'd all be using SPARK Ada or something.

> spitting out code as fast as your keyboard works, or is is not having features do weirdo things

This is a straw man. No-one has suggested that "spitting out code as fast as your keyboard works" is what Rails allows you to do, or that Ruby code results in features that "do weirdo things".

In reality engineer productivity is important and Rails enables it in a web environment.

> I have more than once tried to contribute fixes to GitLab's codebase, and every time I open the thing in RubyMine it hurpdurps having no earthly idea where symbols come from or what completions are legal in any given context.

Yes, I prefer writing statically typed languages and I would /greatly/ prefer Ruby to be statically typed for a number of reasons, but it will likely never be so in a way I consider to be usable (see https://github.com/ruby/rbs). Not being able to definitively tell what a method returns or where one is defined is a total PITA, but it's one of the array of up and downsides to Ruby, with each language having a different set.

> I trust JetBrains analysis deeply, so if they can't deduce what's going on, then it must take an impressive amount of glucose to memorize every single surface area one needs to implement a feature.

You don't need to know how all of Rails works to write a Rails app, as I'm sure you know, so this seems like another mis-representation of the truth, just as you don't need to know how the compiler or CPUs work to do a lot of (most?) programming.

> That or, hear me out, maybe "it works on my machine" is a close to correct as the language is going to get without explicit type hints as a pseudo static typing

You seem to be suggesting that Ruby on Rails applications behave unpredictably on a machine to machine basis but that's not really how Ruby works in practice, or matching on my experience.

Are you familiar with rbs (https://github.com/ruby/rbs)? If so, what issues do you see with using that over TypeScript?

Ruby does have optional type annotations, if you want them:

https://github.com/ruby/rbs

Is anyone using RBS? Or, is it still half-baked? I haven't seen any recent posts about it this year. Though, I see the repo has some recent activity.

Currently rbs collection resolves stdlib dependencies, but rbs -r LIB option doesn't resolve them unfortunately. For instance, logger depends on monitor, but rbs -r logger doesn't load monitor.

Here is link number 1 - Previous text "RBS"

Partial clone reduces the impact, but it just procrastinates the problems.

If you want to know what Ruby changes, a good reference is Ruby changes

May I recommend to anyone facing similar issues and who may have at least some agency in dealing with the problem (can't assume you do, so forgive me in that case) the incredible work of Victor Shepelev with Ruby References: https://rubyreferences.github.io/rubychanges/evolution.html

The site presents evolutions of Ruby since version 2.0 in an editorialized and well-written categorized release journal called "Ruby Evolution": https://rubyreferences.github.io/rubychanges/evolution.html

There's also individual version releases annotated as well, for example for the recent Ruby 3.2: https://rubyreferences.github.io/rubychanges/3.2.html

Note that these are not copies of the NEWS.md typically released when minor and major versions of Ruby come out. Victor specifically spent time to write more descriptive notes of what each notable change occurred over time. It's an incredible resource and we're extremely lucky to have him in our community.

There's even a changelog for this meta-changelog, which makes my little Keep a Changelog heart sing, so you can see evolutions of this site over time as well: https://rubyreferences.github.io/rubychanges/

Annotated changes are expected to be ready somewhere before the New Year, hopefully.

But it is a GitHub repo from the very beginning :)

Open: the source of changelog is available on the GitHub and is open for fixes and suggestions.