open-watcom-v2 VS llvm-project

Compare open-watcom-v2 vs llvm-project and see what are their differences.

open-watcom-v2

Open Watcom V2.0 - Source code repository, Wiki, Latest Binary build, Archived builds including all installers for download. (by open-watcom)

llvm-project

The LLVM Project is a collection of modular and reusable compiler and toolchain technologies. (by llvm)
InfluxDB - Power Real-Time Data Analytics at Scale
Get real-time insights from all types of time series data with InfluxDB. Ingest, query, and analyze billions of data points in real-time with unbounded cardinality.
www.influxdata.com
featured
SaaSHub - Software Alternatives and Reviews
SaaSHub helps you find the best software and product alternatives
www.saashub.com
featured
open-watcom-v2 llvm-project
23 351
921 25,563
2.6% 2.0%
9.9 10.0
about 24 hours ago 11 days ago
C C++
GNU General Public License v3.0 or later GNU General Public License v3.0 or later
The number of mentions indicates the total number of mentions that we've tracked plus the number of user suggested alternatives.
Stars - the number of stars that a project has on GitHub. Growth - month over month growth in stars.
Activity is a relative number indicating how actively a project is being developed. Recent commits have higher weight than older ones.
For example, an activity of 9.0 indicates that a project is amongst the top 10% of the most actively developed projects that we are tracking.

open-watcom-v2

Posts with mentions or reviews of open-watcom-v2. We have used some of these posts to build our list of alternatives and similar projects. The last one was on 2024-01-17.
  • Djgpp
    4 projects | news.ycombinator.com | 17 Jan 2024
    https://github.com/open-watcom/open-watcom-v2

    In terms of ISO-complianceness, perhaps don't expect much. It basically C89 (the C99 support is still incomplete), and for C++... most likely not even C++98 - compliant.

  • Popularity of DOS/4GW made Win95 game compat easier, but with higher stakes
    5 projects | news.ycombinator.com | 29 Aug 2023
    > You will also want to start with a 16-bit C compiler like Borland Turbo C or Microsoft C

    The parent post mentioned they're going to use OpenWatcom which is an actively developed[0] C and C++ compiler that targets 16bit DOS (among others).

    [0] https://github.com/open-watcom/open-watcom-v2

  • #pragma once / header guards / C++ committee.
    2 projects | /r/cpp | 31 May 2023
    Despite the lack of feature support, the compiler is still updated to this day, and still does support DOS, Windows, Linux, and OS/2, so it's modern in the sense of maintenance, just not really standards support. If you got further questions, I can send you the Discord link. They are pretty friendly.
  • Rust is Boring
    6 projects | /r/rust | 13 Mar 2023
    My advice is, when you feel you need that challenge, install DOSBox or DOSBox-X and Open Watcom C/C++, DJGPP, or gcc-ia16 and do some retro-programming. You'll also get the fun of being able to do low-level hardware twiddling and rely on DOS being so simple that it's effectively an RTOS.
  • Build C/C++ programs to run on homebrew 286?
    1 project | /r/homebrewcomputer | 24 Feb 2023
    If you want to build under Linux, I would recommend you look at Open Watcom. It's the best open source 16-bit x86 C compiler, IMHO.
  • "My Reaction to Dr. Stroustrup’s Recent Memory Safety Comments"
    11 projects | /r/rust | 2 Feb 2023
    I have recently found out that Watcom C still exists. And not just exists, but there are plenty of commits.
  • Win16 Retro Development
    5 projects | news.ycombinator.com | 24 Dec 2022
    I should note, that OpenWatcom 2.0[1] is far better for supporting more recent C and C++ code, modern hosts and tooling, but still able to compile into 16 bit code. It is also actively maintained. Instead of MASM I recommend JWasm[2] + Jwlink[3]. Back in time I did a fork[4] of JWasm that has cleaner build system (CMake).

    [1] https://github.com/open-watcom/open-watcom-v2

    [2] https://github.com/Baron-von-Riedesel/JWasm

    [3] https://github.com/JWasm/JWlink

    [4] https://github.com/JWasm/JWasm

  • Rendering like it's 1996 - Baby's first pixel
    1 project | /r/programming | 16 Dec 2022
    If you want to run this in DOS: the code under src/should actually compile with this OpenWatcom fork via the -za99 flag. MiniFB however will not compile. You'd have to palettize the output pixel buffer to 256 colors and then blit it to 0xa000if you fancy that.
  • Falsehoods programmers believe about undefined behavior
    7 projects | /r/rust | 28 Nov 2022
    GCC, clang or maybe watcom? You wouldn't find it there (before invention of AGI, but that would be entirely different can of worms).
  • Having trouble setting up whonix on Mac OS
    1 project | /r/Whonix | 8 Nov 2022

llvm-project

Posts with mentions or reviews of llvm-project. We have used some of these posts to build our list of alternatives and similar projects. The last one was on 2024-05-06.
  • Playing with DragonRuby Game Toolkit (DRGTK)
    2 projects | dev.to | 6 May 2024
    This Ruby implementation is based on mruby and LLVM and it’s commercial software but cheap.
  • Add support for Qualcomm Oryon processor
    1 project | news.ycombinator.com | 3 May 2024
  • Ask HN: Which books/resources to understand modern Assembler?
    6 projects | news.ycombinator.com | 21 Apr 2024
    'Computer Architeture: A Quantitative Apporach" and/or more specific design types (mips, arm, etc) can be found under the Morgan Kaufmann Series in Computer Architeture and Design.

    "Getting Started with LLVM Core Libraries: Get to Grips With Llvm Essentials and Use the Core Libraries to Build Advanced Tools "

    "The Architecture of Open Source Applications (Volume 1) : LLVM" https://aosabook.org/en/v1/llvm.html

    "Tourist Guide to LLVM source code" : https://blog.regehr.org/archives/1453

    llvm home page : https://llvm.org/

    llvm tutorial : https://llvm.org/docs/tutorial/

    llvm reference : https://llvm.org/docs/LangRef.html

    learn by examples : C source code to 'llvm' bitcode : https://stackoverflow.com/questions/9148890/how-to-make-clan...

  • Flang-new: How to force arrays to be allocated on the heap?
    1 project | news.ycombinator.com | 14 Apr 2024
    See

    https://github.com/llvm/llvm-project/issues/88344

    https://fortran-lang.discourse.group/t/flang-new-how-to-forc...

  • The LLVM Compiler Infrastructure
    1 project | news.ycombinator.com | 9 Apr 2024
  • Programming from Top to Bottom - Parsing
    2 projects | dev.to | 18 Mar 2024
    You can never mistake type_declaration with an identifier, otherwise the program will not work. Aside from that constraint, you are free to name them whatever you like, there is no one standard, and each parser has it own naming conventions, unless you are planning to use something like LLVM. If you are interested, you can see examples of naming in different language parsers in the AST Explorer.
  • Look ma, I wrote a new JIT compiler for PostgreSQL
    1 project | news.ycombinator.com | 18 Mar 2024
    > There is one way to make the LLVM JIT compiler more usable, but I fear it’s going to take years to be implemented: being able to cache and reuse compiled queries.

    Actually, it's implemented in LLVM for years :) https://github.com/llvm/llvm-project/commit/a98546ebcd2a692e...

  • C++ Safety, in Context
    8 projects | news.ycombinator.com | 12 Mar 2024
    > It's true, this was a CVE in Rust and not a CVE in C++, but only because C++ doesn't regard the issue as a problem at all. The problem definitely exists in C++, but it's not acknowledged as a problem, let alone fixed.

    Can you find a link that substantiates your claim? You're throwing out some heavy accusations here that don't seem to match reality at all.

    Case in point, this was fixed in both major C++ libraries:

    https://github.com/gcc-mirror/gcc/commit/ebf6175464768983a2d...

    https://github.com/llvm/llvm-project/commit/4f67a909902d8ab9...

    So what C++ community refused to regard this as an issue and refused to fix it? Where is your supporting evidence for your claims?

  • Clang accepts MSVC arguments and targets Windows if its binary is named clang-cl
    2 projects | news.ycombinator.com | 2 Mar 2024
    For everyone else looking for the magic in this almost 7k lines monster, look at line 6610 [1].

    [1] https://github.com/llvm/llvm-project/blob/8ec28af8eaff5acd0d...

  • Rewrite the VP9 codec library in Rust
    5 projects | news.ycombinator.com | 28 Feb 2024
    Through value tracking. It's actually LLVM that does this, GCC probably does it as well, so in theory explicit bounds checks in regular C code would also be removed by the compiler.

    How it works exactly I don't know, and apparently it's so complex that it requires over 9000 lines of C++ to express:

    https://github.com/llvm/llvm-project/blob/main/llvm/lib/Anal...

What are some alternatives?

When comparing open-watcom-v2 and llvm-project you can also consider the following projects:

gcc-ia16 - Fork of Lambertsen & Jenner (& al.)'s IA-16 (Intel 16-bit x86) port of GNU compilers ― added far pointers & more • use https://github.com/tkchia/build-ia16 to build • Ubuntu binaries at https://launchpad.net/%7Etkchia/+archive/ubuntu/build-ia16/ • DJGPP/MS-DOS binaries at https://gitlab.com/tkchia/build-ia16/-/releases • mirror of https://gitlab.com/tkchia/gcc-ia16

zig - General-purpose programming language and toolchain for maintaining robust, optimal, and reusable software.

DOOM - DOOM Open Source Release

Lark - Lark is a parsing toolkit for Python, built with a focus on ergonomics, performance and modularity.

MS-DOS - The original sources of MS-DOS 1.25 and 2.0, for reference purposes

gcc

em-dosbox - An Emscripten port of DOSBox

SDL - Simple Directmedia Layer

abrash-black-book - Markdown source for Michael Abrash's Graphics Programming Black Book

cosmopolitan - build-once run-anywhere c library

emu2 - Simple x86 and DOS emulator for the Linux terminal.

windmill - Open-source developer platform to turn scripts into workflows and UIs. Fastest workflow engine (5x vs Airflow). Open-source alternative to Airplane and Retool.