objed VS ryo-modal

To build on what others are saying about Emacs, if you start exploring the package ecosystem, you're going to see quite a lot of really interesting packages that are related to improving/experimenting with the UX of editing text. While I'm not endorsing anyone in particular, I think what this list does show is just how easy it is to do pretty much whatever you want in Emacs;

https://karthinks.com/software/avy-can-do-anything/

https://github.com/jyp/boon

https://github.com/clemera/objed

https://github.com/jmorag/kakoune.el

https://github.com/meow-edit/meow/

https://github.com/xahlee/xah-fly-keys

https://github.com/Kungsgeten/ryo-modal

https://github.com/emacsorphanage/god-mode

Emacs 29 also now has treesitter and LSP mode integration built-in, a compilation mode, a comint mode for REPLs, excellent file browsing packages (I use dired/dirvish), and a few other killer features.

Now, if what you truly dislike are "quirky editors", prepare yourself for a world of hurt because vanilla Emacs departs quite a bit from "modern" text editors. I struggled with this for a while, but eventually by buying into the paradigm, I now feel that when emacs try emulating "modern" IDE features like autocompletion, LSP, and DAP UI, I feel like it's a regression, not a progression. The point here is that you might have an "idea" of what good initial UX and lack of quirks would look like, but Emacs might change the way you think.

This looks like an interesting and valiant attempt to build something that improves on everything that came before it, but I did find the documentation lacking in clarity.

I'm experimenting with this package right now instead:

https://github.com/clemera/objed

and will wire up the keyboard shortcuts using RYO package to roll my own modal state.

3.objed:: https://github.com/clemera/objed.git

Wow. meow project looks similar to objed but with more features. These projects are inclined to modal editing but not being vim. Thank you for suggesting.

I like the semi-modal editing package objed (short for textual object editor)

This reminds me of u/clemera's objed and of versor.

There are other modal systems for emacs. You even can construct your own with https://github.com/mrkkrp/modalka and https://github.com/Kungsgeten/ryo-modal. I have done that, these packages were extremely easy to use. I had a lot of fun designing the modal regime of my dreams. There are https://github.com/LouisKottmann/emacs-baboon, https://github.com/xahlee/xah-fly-keys (and its various forks) and https://github.com/clemera/objed.

I forgot about objed! Which is another very interesting project.

I didn't fully get what your interactive piping solution is, but I found that objed has a command oddly unrelated to the rest of its codebase: objed-ipipe, which does what I imagined Howard's piper to do but more intuitively to me. Though it seems you can write piper commands out in lisp so it's probably a superset feature-wise, I just never got started learning it.

Well laid out, I fully agree. I think there is still a lot of potential to combine these two approaches in a better way, Emacs knows about many structures already but I think it could be more convenient to act on those. I tried my hand on this with objed which aims to make it easier to act/navigate on certain units (on demand or semi automatically).

To build on what others are saying about Emacs, if you start exploring the package ecosystem, you're going to see quite a lot of really interesting packages that are related to improving/experimenting with the UX of editing text. While I'm not endorsing anyone in particular, I think what this list does show is just how easy it is to do pretty much whatever you want in Emacs;

https://karthinks.com/software/avy-can-do-anything/

https://github.com/jyp/boon

https://github.com/clemera/objed

https://github.com/jmorag/kakoune.el

https://github.com/meow-edit/meow/

https://github.com/xahlee/xah-fly-keys

https://github.com/Kungsgeten/ryo-modal

https://github.com/emacsorphanage/god-mode

Emacs 29 also now has treesitter and LSP mode integration built-in, a compilation mode, a comint mode for REPLs, excellent file browsing packages (I use dired/dirvish), and a few other killer features.

Now, if what you truly dislike are "quirky editors", prepare yourself for a world of hurt because vanilla Emacs departs quite a bit from "modern" text editors. I struggled with this for a while, but eventually by buying into the paradigm, I now feel that when emacs try emulating "modern" IDE features like autocompletion, LSP, and DAP UI, I feel like it's a regression, not a progression. The point here is that you might have an "idea" of what good initial UX and lack of quirks would look like, but Emacs might change the way you think.

If it's the latter and you're looking for a way to set up vim/evil like keybindings yourself (separate links for each), Modalka, RYO-modal, and Meow (and probably a few dozen others 'cause emacs) allow you to do that.

You can write custom commands that wrap a little bit of logic around the standard movement commands. Or another option would be to look at ryo-modal or meow.

Along with General, you can take a look at some other packages for keybindings and modal editing. A good option is RollYourOwn Modal mode. In the documentation there, it also lists several other packages with pre-defined bindings. Xah-Fly-Keys is specifically designed for ergonomics and may be interesting to explore.

Because you can roll your own modal mode. This particular approach will make the experience convenient in the way you actually prefer (Emacs' extensibility at its finest) and it'll allow you to slowly move towards the modal editing if it happens to be convenient for you.

Similar to Meow is ryo-modal. What I like about ryo-modal is that it is completely unopinionated and does nothing by default, and instead just provides the tools to make your own modal editing system.

I was thinking that combining this functionality with something like ryo-modal could make for a very satisfying and efficient modal keybind system. However, it doesn't seem like there's any ready made way to do this in Emacs.

ryo-modal is a package for creating modal keymaps. I want to test it, but I need a little help.