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objed
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Ask HN: Best way to experiment with text text editing?
To build on what others are saying about Emacs, if you start exploring the package ecosystem, you're going to see quite a lot of really interesting packages that are related to improving/experimenting with the UX of editing text. While I'm not endorsing anyone in particular, I think what this list does show is just how easy it is to do pretty much whatever you want in Emacs;
https://karthinks.com/software/avy-can-do-anything/
https://github.com/jyp/boon
https://github.com/clemera/objed
https://github.com/jmorag/kakoune.el
https://github.com/meow-edit/meow/
https://github.com/xahlee/xah-fly-keys
https://github.com/Kungsgeten/ryo-modal
https://github.com/emacsorphanage/god-mode
Emacs 29 also now has treesitter and LSP mode integration built-in, a compilation mode, a comint mode for REPLs, excellent file browsing packages (I use dired/dirvish), and a few other killer features.
Now, if what you truly dislike are "quirky editors", prepare yourself for a world of hurt because vanilla Emacs departs quite a bit from "modern" text editors. I struggled with this for a while, but eventually by buying into the paradigm, I now feel that when emacs try emulating "modern" IDE features like autocompletion, LSP, and DAP UI, I feel like it's a regression, not a progression. The point here is that you might have an "idea" of what good initial UX and lack of quirks would look like, but Emacs might change the way you think.
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Why another modal editing package in Emacs?
This looks like an interesting and valiant attempt to build something that improves on everything that came before it, but I did find the documentation lacking in clarity.
I'm experimenting with this package right now instead:
https://github.com/clemera/objed
and will wire up the keyboard shortcuts using RYO package to roll my own modal state.
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Let's share your top 3 packages that you can't live without.
3.objed:: https://github.com/clemera/objed.git
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Effective and efficient text editing using Emacs (Alternative to Evil)
Wow. meow project looks similar to objed but with more features. These projects are inclined to modal editing but not being vim. Thank you for suggesting.
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What is your favorite text-editing package / command?
I like the semi-modal editing package objed (short for textual object editor)
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atp - an experimental package for fast and intuitive text editing
This reminds me of u/clemera's objed and of versor.
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Moving from evil to mostly-emacs keybindings
There are other modal systems for emacs. You even can construct your own with https://github.com/mrkkrp/modalka and https://github.com/Kungsgeten/ryo-modal. I have done that, these packages were extremely easy to use. I had a lot of fun designing the modal regime of my dreams. There are https://github.com/LouisKottmann/emacs-baboon, https://github.com/xahlee/xah-fly-keys (and its various forks) and https://github.com/clemera/objed.
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Minimally Invasion EVIL Mode?
I forgot about objed! Which is another very interesting project.
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Guide-article: A Lisp REPL as my main shell
I didn't fully get what your interactive piping solution is, but I found that objed has a command oddly unrelated to the rest of its codebase: objed-ipipe, which does what I imagined Howard's piper to do but more intuitively to me. Though it seems you can write piper commands out in lisp so it's probably a superset feature-wise, I just never got started learning it.
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What key binding scheme do you use to handle parentheses?
Well laid out, I fully agree. I think there is still a lot of potential to combine these two approaches in a better way, Emacs knows about many structures already but I think it could be more convenient to act on those. I tried my hand on this with objed which aims to make it easier to act/navigate on certain units (on demand or semi automatically).
lispy
- Sapling: A highly experimental vi-inspired editor where you edit code, not text
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What are the small reasons to try Emacs?
Some killer features in Emacs, which I would recommend checking out, is imenu and movement by s-expression (functions like forward-sexp). These are built into Emacs and make navigating across or inside blocks of code very easy. I have also seen that lispy, which is usually used for Lisp code also supports Python. Again I can't speak to any specifics about how well these things work for Python devs.
- What packages do I need to for the best elisp editing environment?
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Any way to make lispy format works automatically?
While writing other programming languages with LSP, it formats the buffer once I hit save. Is there any way to make https://github.com/abo-abo/lispy do some equivalent behaviour?
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Let's share your top 3 packages that you can't live without.
Without any order magit, lispy and minions.
- paredit.vim – Paredit Mode: Structured Editing of Lisp S-Expressions
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Emacs/Slime equivalent of some Cider features?
I don't know cider, but...I found lispy mode a revelation in making the easy, easier.
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Why is it hard to get started with elisp in emacs
The level of interactivity in your emacs determines how easy trying emacs-lisp becomes. I suggest checking out https://github.com/abo-abo/lispy, it makes it easy to look up documentation (C-c 1 I believe) and evaluate S-expressions on the fly (keybinding is e). Also C-h f, C-h k, C-h v are always very helpful. Also check out helpful (the package), selectrum, marginalia, prescient, etc.
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Tree Sitter and the Complications of Parsing Languages
Emacs seems to attract quite a lot of people who want structural code editing. We now have * paredit * smartparens * evil-cleverparens * lispy * symex * combobulate (more?)
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The State of Structural Editing in Emacs?
Obviously, we have packages like Paredit and Lispy, recently we got SymEx, but these are all for the Lisp family of languages, where syntactic redundancy is very high because of the homoiconicity.
What are some alternatives?
aggressive-indent-mode - Emacs minor mode that keeps your code always indented. More reliable than electric-indent-mode.
smartparens - Minor mode for Emacs that deals with parens pairs and tries to be smart about it.
emacs.d - Personal Emacs configurations
parinfer-rust - A Rust port of parinfer.
meow - Yet another modal editing on Emacs / 猫态编辑
symex.el - An intuitive way to edit Lisp symbolic expressions ("symexes") structurally in Emacs
xah-fly-keys - the most efficient keybinding for emacs
emacs-config - My personal Emacs configuration
ryo-modal - Roll your own modal mode
babashka - Native, fast starting Clojure interpreter for scripting
link-hint.el - Pentadactyl-like Link Hinting in Emacs with Avy
evil-textobj-tree-sitter - Tree-sitter powered textobjects for evil mode in Emacs