objed VS helm

To build on what others are saying about Emacs, if you start exploring the package ecosystem, you're going to see quite a lot of really interesting packages that are related to improving/experimenting with the UX of editing text. While I'm not endorsing anyone in particular, I think what this list does show is just how easy it is to do pretty much whatever you want in Emacs;

https://karthinks.com/software/avy-can-do-anything/

https://github.com/jyp/boon

https://github.com/clemera/objed

https://github.com/jmorag/kakoune.el

https://github.com/meow-edit/meow/

https://github.com/xahlee/xah-fly-keys

https://github.com/Kungsgeten/ryo-modal

https://github.com/emacsorphanage/god-mode

Emacs 29 also now has treesitter and LSP mode integration built-in, a compilation mode, a comint mode for REPLs, excellent file browsing packages (I use dired/dirvish), and a few other killer features.

Now, if what you truly dislike are "quirky editors", prepare yourself for a world of hurt because vanilla Emacs departs quite a bit from "modern" text editors. I struggled with this for a while, but eventually by buying into the paradigm, I now feel that when emacs try emulating "modern" IDE features like autocompletion, LSP, and DAP UI, I feel like it's a regression, not a progression. The point here is that you might have an "idea" of what good initial UX and lack of quirks would look like, but Emacs might change the way you think.

This looks like an interesting and valiant attempt to build something that improves on everything that came before it, but I did find the documentation lacking in clarity.

I'm experimenting with this package right now instead:

https://github.com/clemera/objed

and will wire up the keyboard shortcuts using RYO package to roll my own modal state.

3.objed:: https://github.com/clemera/objed.git

Wow. meow project looks similar to objed but with more features. These projects are inclined to modal editing but not being vim. Thank you for suggesting.

I like the semi-modal editing package objed (short for textual object editor)

This reminds me of u/clemera's objed and of versor.

There are other modal systems for emacs. You even can construct your own with https://github.com/mrkkrp/modalka and https://github.com/Kungsgeten/ryo-modal. I have done that, these packages were extremely easy to use. I had a lot of fun designing the modal regime of my dreams. There are https://github.com/LouisKottmann/emacs-baboon, https://github.com/xahlee/xah-fly-keys (and its various forks) and https://github.com/clemera/objed.

I forgot about objed! Which is another very interesting project.

I didn't fully get what your interactive piping solution is, but I found that objed has a command oddly unrelated to the rest of its codebase: objed-ipipe, which does what I imagined Howard's piper to do but more intuitively to me. Though it seems you can write piper commands out in lisp so it's probably a superset feature-wise, I just never got started learning it.

Well laid out, I fully agree. I think there is still a lot of potential to combine these two approaches in a better way, Emacs knows about many structures already but I think it could be more convenient to act on those. I tried my hand on this with objed which aims to make it easier to act/navigate on certain units (on demand or semi automatically).

(setq inhibit-startup-message t) (setq visible-bell t) (setq make-backup-files nil) ; Disable the creation of ~ files (setq auto-save-default nil) ;; stop creating those #auto-save# files (setq display-line-numbers-mode t) ;(scroll-bar-mode -1) ; Disable visible scrollbar. Only for visual GUI ;(tool-bar-mode -1) ; Disable the toolbar. Only for visual GUI ;(tooltip-mode -1) ; Disable tooltips (menu-bar-mode -1) ; Disable the menu bar. Only for visual GUI ;(set-fringe-mode 10) ;(setq visible-bell t) ; Mac OSX specific ;mac-function-modifier ;mac-control-modifier) ;mac-command-modifier ;mac-option-modifier ;mac-right-command-modifier ;mac-right-control-modifier ;mac-right-option-modifier ;; key bindings (when (eq system-type 'darwin) ;; mac specific settings (set-terminal-coding-system 'utf-8) (set-keyboard-coding-system 'utf-8) (prefer-coding-system 'utf-8) (setq mac-command-modifier 'meta) (setq mac-control-modifier 'control) (global-set-key [kp-delete] 'delete-char) ;; sets fn-delete to be right-delete ) ;; ORG Mode (global-set-key (kbd "C-c l") #'org-store-link) (global-set-key (kbd "C-c a") #'org-agenda) (global-set-key (kbd "C-c c") #'org-capture) ;; packages (require 'package) (add-to-list 'package-archives '("melpa" . "https://melpa.org/packages/")) ;; Comment/uncomment this line to enable MELPA Stable if desired. See `package-archive-priorities` ;; and `package-pinned-packages`. Most users will not need or want to do this. ;;(add-to-list 'package-archives '("melpa-stable" . "https://stable.melpa.org/packages/") t) (package-initialize) ;; LSP-mode config (setq package-selected-packages '(lsp-mode yasnippet lsp-treemacs helm-lsp projectile hydra flycheck company avy which-key helm-xref dap-mode)) (when (cl-find-if-not #'package-installed-p package-selected-packages) (package-refresh-contents) (mapc #'package-install package-selected-packages)) ;; sample `helm' configuration use https://github.com/emacs-helm/helm/ for details (helm-mode) (require 'helm-xref) (define-key global-map [remap find-file] #'helm-find-files) (define-key global-map [remap execute-extended-command] #'helm-M-x) (define-key global-map [remap switch-to-buffer] #'helm-mini) (which-key-mode) (add-hook 'c-mode-hook 'lsp) (add-hook 'c++-mode-hook 'lsp) (lsp-treemacs-sync-mode 1) (setq gc-cons-threshold (* 100 1024 1024) read-process-output-max (* 1024 1024) treemacs-space-between-root-nodes nil company-idle-delay 0.0 company-minimum-prefix-length 1 lsp-idle-delay 0.1) ;; clangd is fast (with-eval-after-load 'lsp-mode (add-hook 'lsp-mode-hook #'lsp-enable-which-key-integration) (require 'dap-cpptools) (yas-global-mode)) ;; theme (load-theme 'modus-vivendi t)

Oh wow wow wow! I just checked your commit on the repository. That's so amazing. I really appreciate that. And I also found a convenient donation link.

Next you "only" have to remember (elisp) function names. "Completion UIs" like ivy/counsel, icomplete, helm or vertico/consult, give you a nice auto completion list on M-x (choose the one of them, you like the most). Some of those Completion UIs will display existing keybindings and a short documentation for commands, near the auto complete candidates. So you will start to remember more keybindings without "learning sessions", just because invoking functions via keybindings is much faster (more convenient).

I use imenu, and helm-imenu to filter out the list interactively. Instead of scrolling through, you "jump" to an item via completion like helm-imenu, which filters all headings interactively in real-time as you type.

I personally use Helm, so I can manage all files (open, delete, copy, rename, etc) all from completing prompt directly, I don't need to open Dired for that.

Helm 1.2 release was in September 2011: https://github.com/emacs-helm/helm/releases/tag/v1.2

I updated helm recently and when trying to use it after startup I was hitting "Defining as dynamic an already lexical var" . debugger showed me it was due to `ffap-machine-p-local` not being defined yet, digging into helm-lib.el i found that it is due to the ffap let bindings added recently to `helm-guess-filename-at-point` - the first one was to address this issue https://github.com/emacs-helm/helm/issues/2574 and more recently two more ffaps were let bound. I can fix by adding `(require 'ffap)` in the helm `use-package` `:config` -- wondering if this is the recommended way or if it might be something worth living inside helm-lib.el near the top where it requires cl-lib already?

Related to https://github.com/emacs-helm/helm/discussions/2577

Yes, Helm. Probably others like Embark.