Ory Oathkeeper VS envoy

Hydra feels mature. I think it's their longest-developed product so far. Besides breaking changes during big upgrades(v0 -> v1beta -> v1), everything has been painless:

- It runs anywhere with or without containers

- API makes sense, good SDKs are available in all my used languages

- RAM usage is surprisingly low compared to usage and has been great for resource-constrained environments

- Stateless means horizontal scaling is as easy as `replicas++`

- Sub-millisecond response times for some calls, much faster than our previous setup

With Hydra, I know it's the client's fault when OAuth calls fail and not just a buggy server implementation. This is reinforced in dev mode with great errors like:

- The authorization code has already been used

- The request is missing the response_type parameter

- Parameter "nonce" must be set when using the implicit flow

- Redirect URL "https://example.com/callback" does not match

On the flipside, Oathkeeper is not a mature product and has not yet reached v1. There are breaking changes planned [1]. It lacks support for at least one popular usecase (mine) out of the box [2]. Rules can be hard to create and debug. I wouldn't recommend Oathkeeper in its current state unless you're ready to dive in and fix things yourself. Once configured it sticks with the Ory trend: fast, lean, and stable.

Depending on your usecase, Oathkeeper could be swapped out with any IAP like Pomerium or just with your reverse proxy's auth request support + some small custom shim.

I haven't tried Keto (access control) or Kratos (user management) yet. Kratos is on my todo list.

[1] https://github.com/ory/oathkeeper/issues/441

Apple also contributed[1] MPTCP support to Envoy Proxy.

[1]https://github.com/envoyproxy/envoy/pull/18780

After it finishes (it can take a few minutes), Docker-Compose automatically starts a cluster with two containers. One is an Envoy proxy (running on port 3000) that relays requests from outside the cluster to the other container (running on port 4000), which is our AR.IO gateway that will handle the requests.

Hi HN!

For the past few weeks we've been working on Proximal - a workflow engine that lets you quickly iterate on WebAssembly extensions for Envoy Proxy[0] (or other proxies) right on your local machine: https://github.com/apoxy-dev/proximal

This work is based on Proxy-WASM[1] extension ABI for Envoy (and other proxies like APISIX and Mosn[2]) which allows you to execute WebAssembly code on every API request a la Cloudflare Workers. As part of our wider effort at https://apoxy.dev to improve API glue code we built an experimentation / development platform and hope you will find it useful!

On the technical side this project packs Envoy itself, Envoy controller, REST API (for controlling the controller =)), React SPA, and Temporal server/worker (for orchestration) - all baked into a single Go binary. You can find more on architecture and limitations in the repository README[4].

This project is pretty early stage and we would appreciate community feedback!

Previous HN discussions on this topic:

* https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36113542

* https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22582276

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[0] https://www.envoyproxy.io/

[1] https://github.com/proxy-wasm/spec/blob/master/docs/WebAssem...

[2] https://apisix.apache.org/ https://mosn.io/

[3] https://github.com/apoxy-dev/proximal/blob/main/README.md#ar...

Hey HN,

We made an Envoy Proxy[0] playground so we could test out our Envoy configs directly in the browser. This is based on Julia's work with Nginx Playround[1] (we forked[2] that repo and added more Envoy to it). Check it out!

[0] - Envoy is a popular programmable proxy similar to Nginx or HAProxy that is popular with cloud-native setups: https://www.envoyproxy.io

Envoy is the proxy that does the heavy lifting. Istio is just a glorified configuration system. Even if you choose to use Istio you're still using Envoy.

You're spot-on about using iptables rules. There is an example here with a yaml configuration and some iptables commands: https://github.com/envoyproxy/envoy/blob/main/configs/origin...

You might be able to re-use some of that. It should be pretty easy to get metrics for outbound/inbound http requests, but I don't remember the exact yaml incantation.

I'm using the default RaspiOS Lite 64bits and as highlighted in this issue, the RaspiOS kernel does not support CONFIG_ARM64_VA_BITS_48, which makes cilium-envoy to fail building. As solution, I was told to use either Ubuntu as base OS or Traefik Ingress Controller, which is not configured in K3s.

I know envoy (https://www.envoyproxy.io/, https://www.envoyproxy.io/docs/envoy/latest/intro/arch_overview/security/jwt_authn_filter) can do this natively, I'm sure you could probably build something with nginx and its Lua scripting, not sure about traefik and caddy but I dont think they support that.

Envoy is a cloud native opensource proxy server. The Envoy proxy offers a variety of http filters to handle incoming requests.

Istio: By far the most popular service mesh. It is built on top of Envoy proxy, which many service meshes use.