nushell VS elvish

Since everyone is sharing shells written in Rust, I've become quite fond of Nushell: https://www.nushell.sh/

I'd love to see more shell exploring things beyond POSIX. Text based stdin/stdout will always have its place, but having ways to express, serialize, and pass along data in more structured ways is quite nice.

I'm an incredibly happy user of nushell, which brings all the best features of bash and all the best features of more well designed scripting languages in one awesome package that also comes with editor (LSP) support and excellent documentation

https://www.nushell.sh/

(The intro page may be a bit misleading. You can freely mix-and-match existing, unstructured as well as nushell-built-in structured commands in the pipeline, as long as you convert to/from string streams - its not mandatory to use the structured built-ins. For example if an existing cli tool has json output, you can use `tool | from json` to turn it into structured data. There are also commands like `detect columns` that parses classic column output, and so on - the tools to mix-and-match structured and unstructured data are convenient and expressive)

Best thing I've found recently is nushell[0], paired with jc [1] it's pretty much the best shell I've ever used.

[0] https://www.nushell.sh/

REPL-ify your command line then? There's nothing that says you have to be stuck on bash for your command line needs. https://www.nushell.sh/

Nearly all my developer tools are open-source projects written in Rust (Nushell, Helix, WezTerm, and more).

Have you tried nushell (https://www.nushell.sh/)? It embeds GNU coreutils written in Rust, so it feels like Linux even on a Windows machine.

> Another example is jq. I use it occasionally, and ChatGPT handles the syntax pretty well. For me, learning it properly just isn’t worth the time or effort.

This resonates with me, I was in exactly the same position when I needed to do something with `kubectl` JSON output - just ask ChatGPT because I couldn't be bothered to learn the unintuitive syntax.

Interestingly I _can_ blame the tool, because I started using Nushell[1] which has built-in JSON manipulation that provides a MUCH simpler syntax, and I have learnt this properly because it was that easy.

1: https://www.nushell.sh/

But these fantasy consoles are aimed largely at the classic BASIC use case of writing simple games. My interest, meanwhile, is in replacing my shell. I want a BASIC that can be a useful, productive stand-in for bash. In this sense, I'm actually more influenced by new-school shells like nushell, elvish and PowerShell.

But these fantasy consoles are aimed largely at the classic BASIC use case of writing simple games. My interest, meanwhile, is in replacing my shell. I want a BASIC that can be a useful, productive stand-in for bash. In this sense, I'm actually more influenced by new-school shells like nushell, elvish and PowerShell.

I gave a talk about the design: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wrl9foNXdgM

As the sibling comment mentioned, you can find documentation on Elvish itself on the website https://elv.sh. There are tutorials and (not 100% but fairly complete) reference documents.

I take your comment as implying that https://elv.sh is nice, clean and elegant, and thank you for the compliment :)

I can't speak for other people, but I made it on my own and don't have any formal training in design.

With the risk of stating the obvious, you first have to realize that as a developer you can make a reasonably clean-looking website on your own. There are just a few basic ingredients: choose fonts, tweak spacing, position elements, draw some background shades, round some corners. You can do any of these from CSS.

After that it's browsing other websites for what looks nice, and a lot of trial and error with CSS. You can do a lot of experiments from the browser's dev tool before committing them into the stylesheet too. But at the end of the time, you have to put in some time. The layout of the current homepage was redone just a few months back and it took me (IIRC) 3 days to tweak everything to my satisfaction.

Shameless plug: Elvish is a shell with a filesystem navigator built in - you can see it in demo 5 on the homepage https://elv.sh