noms VS hyperhyperspace-core

This is from 2022. It is based on Noms [1], which is no longer maintained (they forked it).

I think the Noms doc linked from this article [2] is clearer than the article itself. That said I sill cannot turn my head around to grasp how this entire thing work tbh. I hope they wrote a peer reviewed paper to serve the audience better.

[1] https://github.com/attic-labs/

[2] https://github.com/attic-labs/noms/blob/master/doc/intro.md#...

I am. But i know very little about CRDTs lol, so we'll see how that goes. I'm interested in converting some immutable, local-first data warehouse tooling i enjoy to a CRDT version. Prior it was more.. Git-like. Basically just Git with data structures inspired-massively from Noms[1].

The thing i've found most interesting is it appears[2] that CRDT backends need to expose CRDT flavored types to users. Which is to say how i'm writing this combines the notion of a type, say `[i32]` with how you want the merges to work. CRDT works great but based on my amateur-hour researching on the subject i don't feel you can write a single CRDT merge strategy for a single data type ala `[i32]` and have it be always correct. Applications need to indicate enough context on what makes sense for a given data type.

So yea, i agree with you. I'm interested in making a database-like thing, backed by CRDTs, but i also have seen very few general purpose implementations with CRDTs. It feels like i'm breaking "new ground", while having no idea what i'm doing and having no intention of being an actual researcher here. I'm just making apps i enjoy heh.

[1]: https://github.com/attic-labs/noms

Most of the changes are in the noms package which used to live in a separate repo (https://github.com/attic-labs/noms), but Dolt has since adopted them.

Not much more to say other than Noms was my favorite project (https://github.com/attic-labs/noms) for a while until acquisition and the engineers are now the ones behind Replicache (https://replicache.dev/).

I think this is going to be the next "Realm" that works everywhere.

The storage layer based on Noms: https://github.com/attic-labs/noms

Noms might be what you’re looking for (https://github.com/attic-labs/noms). Dolt is actually a fork of Noms.

People that are interested in a similar feature set should check out https://github.com/attic-labs/noms and the SQL fork of Noms, https://github.com/dolthub/dolt

Not all CRDT libraries focus on text editing. For example, I'm working on a Byzantine fault tolerant general-purpose data sync library loosely based on CRDTs: https://www.hyperhyperspace.org

I'm finding it painfully difficult but it is evolving steadily.

I'm thinking there's an interesting parallel between my browser-based p2p project [1] and cloudflare workers / DurableObjects. Instead of DurableObjects, we got HashedObjects [2], and instead of workers running on an edge network somewhere, we got in-browser p2p nodes running a browser-to-browser mesh network.

[1] Hyper Hyper Space: https://www.hyperhyperspace.org

I agree with the author on the merits of the file abstraction, but I think the concept should be updated for networked devices. We need file formats that support both offline usage and seamless sync over the network.

For example, here I use a merkle DAG-based file format to represent CRDT-like types:

https://www.hyperhyperspace.org

The resulting abstraction can be universally looked up using a hash (or short sequence of words), can be modified offline and synchronized flawlessly. It's still WIP (for example, you still can't export it to an actual file, hehe).

> I've been kicking around the idea of writing a CRDT-based editor using this model.

I got around to creating a data layer (p2p, browser-based, CRDT-backed) for something like this:

https://github.com/hyperhyperspace/hyperhyperspace-core

I'd be interested in collaborating on your editor

I'm working on it, Ben [1].

Believe me, it is not easy thing to do.

[1] https://github.com/hyperhyperspace/hyperhyperspace-core

Look at Hyper Hyper Space!

https://github.com/hyperhyperspace/hyperhyperspace-core

Its goals are similar, the approach is more pragmatic (p2p data layer using standard web browsers and webrtc).