nightly-crimes VS wasi-sdk

> This seems to favor c++, in which basically anything imaginable can be done with macros, and any other language can be implemented.

Pfft. C++ macros can't even run a different compiler:

https://github.com/m-ou-se/nightly-crimes/blob/main/yolo-rus...

There is no nightly or stable compiler; they're just different modes that the compiler can run in. You can compile code that uses nightly features with just the stable toolchain; see nightly-crimes.

That being said, you can use nightly features on the stable compiler. The stable compiler is totally capable of compiling them, it just refuses to without some macro black magic.

More specifically, unsafe blocks may violate the compiler's security guarantees and procedural macros actually run inside the compiler process at build time. Declarative macros do this too, but they're far too restricted to allow shenanigans. Procmacros can disable Rust's stability guarantees[0].

[0] https://github.com/m-ou-se/nightly-crimes

> [ https://github.com/m-ou-se/nightly-crimes nightly-crimes! blows away your compiler, running it again in a new environment where it will allow nightly features even though you've got a stable compiler installed... ]

That macros have access to the entire language including arbitrary IO is the defining feature of proc macros. The insanity here is the Rust compiler team adding the `RUSTC_BOOTSTRAP` env var which is used to build rustc stable which uses nightly features.

All nightly-crimes does is use `std::process::Command` to rerun the compiler with the variable set [1], which tells rustc to throw all concepts of stability out the window.

I haven't been following developments but one of the ideas (even has a PoC iirc) was to build and run proc macros as web assembly to improve build times and prevent such shenanigans.

[1] https://github.com/m-ou-se/nightly-crimes/blob/main/yolo-rus...

I would really love being able to take any POSIX command line tool, compile that to WASI, and run it on (at least) Linux, Windows and macOS like a regular executable without having to install a separate WASI runtime.

I'm a 'WASI convert' since I was able to take an ancient 8-bit assembler written in the mid-90's (http://xi6.com/projects/asmx/), compile that as-is with the WASI SDK (https://github.com/WebAssembly/wasi-sdk), and then integrate it into a VSCode extension (https://marketplace.visualstudio.com/items?itemName=floooh.v...).

A similar problem is I have is a shader cross-compiler (https://github.com/floooh/sokol-tools) which needs to run Linux, macOS and Windows and takes too long to build locally, thus I currently need to distribute that as pre-built binaries. Compiling this to WASI works, but the filesystem access restrictions built into current wasm runtimes are a hassle to manage, and it would require a WASI runtime to be separately installed).

There is the WASI SDK if you want to target WASI from C/C++:

https://github.com/WebAssembly/wasi-sdk

It may not have all the amenities of Emscripten, but it's way less bulky.

The most direct way to debug WebAssembly is through the WebAssembly System Interface (WASI). In itk-wasm, we can build to WASI with the WASI SDK by specifying the itkwasm/wasi toolchain image. A backtrace can quickly be obtained with the itk-wasm CLI. Or, a fully fledged debugger session can be started with LLDB.

We use the add_executable command to build executables with itk-wasm. The Emscripten and WASI toolchains along with itk-wasm build and execution configurations are contained in itk-wasm dockcross Docker images invoked by the itk-wasm command line interface (CLI). Note that the same code can also be built and tested with native operating system toolchains. This is useful for development and debugging.

A more lightweight tool than emscripten is the WASI SDK (https://github.com/WebAssembly/wasi-sdk/releases). However, it doesn't generate JS or HTML.

wget https://github.com/WebAssembly/wasi-sdk/releases/download/wasi-sdk-16/wasi-sdk-16.0-macos.tar.gz

First, we’ll download the wasi-sdk. We’ll use wasi-sdk-16.0-linux.tar.gz, the latest version available when writing this article. We’ll move the file to the /opt directory and unpack it as follows:

I'm intrigued. Pretty good write-up about it here. One would need an ebuild for wasi-libc and an ebuild for wasi-sdk.

The previously mentioned PR for wasm32-unknown-unknown compatibility solved this by including libc .c files from OpenBSD. My go to solution is different though. I prefer to build using the wasi-sdk (a WASI-enabled WebAssembly C/C++ toolchain).

There's also the https://github.com/WebAssembly/wasi-sdk repo which is kind of a meta-build-system for all this.

But in FreeBSD we build all the pieces directly, here's our build recipes (with some hacks due to llvm's cmake code being stupid sometimes):

compiler-rt (from llvm): https://github.com/freebsd/freebsd-ports/blob/main/devel/was...

libc (from what you linked): https://github.com/freebsd/freebsd-ports/blob/main/devel/was...

libc++ (from llvm): https://github.com/freebsd/freebsd-ports/blob/main/devel/was...