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matrix-spec-proposals
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The Matrix Trashfire
Not only are they actually very closely linked, in that Element operates matrix.org, but to a new user (told to try Matrix -- what is this Element thing?) there's no difference.
I onboarded a family member onto my Matrix server with FluffyChat as the client. This person is a power user, fairly technical, yet still refers to the chat as "FluffyChat" and although I've explained several times that choosing FluffyChat was maybe a mistake and they should use Element, it never seems to really click that multiple clients are possible.
And really, they aren't possible. They have different subsets of features.
If you want to see a trash can fire, just try to follow the discussion for adding custom emoji to Matrix: https://github.com/matrix-org/matrix-spec-proposals/pull/195...
it's been going on for years. It's a feature the competitors have had for half a decade, as long as this discussion has been ongoing. I've been watching this issue for half a decade thinking "surely they'll decide on something" but mostly all I've been convinced of is this: Matrix is design by committee in all of the worst aspects and at every level of design. If anything gets done at all, it's a convoluted mess, and it's a miracle that it even happens.
I wish community software developers would focus their attention.. somewhere else.
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Bluesky and the at Protocol
So Matrix also has account portability (almost) - https://github.com/matrix-org/matrix-spec-proposals/blob/keg... and https://github.com/devonh/matrix-spec-proposals/blob/cryptoI..., implemented in Dendrite. Unfortunately dev is paused on it currently thanks to lack of $ though.
The AP approach (prioritising portable identities over portable account data) is cute though, and perhaps we should have prioritised that as an alternative to fullblown cryptographic IDs & account portability.
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Non-profit Matrix.org Foundation seems to be moving funds to for-profit Element
Luckily, it doesn't matter what individuals expect. There is written documentation on what the foundation is supposed to do or not to do: https://github.com/matrix-org/matrix-spec-proposals/blob/mai...
Notably, "Code Core Team members must arrange their own funding for their time", which I understand as such that the Foundation does not pay directly the developers (same as other standards organizations like IETF).
Main tasks of Matrix.org Foundation is maintaining the spec, documentation, owning IP, promotion and the matrix.org home server. The home server is "generously hosted" by UpCloud (i.e. is not using New Vector EMS), at least according to the matrix.org website.
Looking again at MSC1779, I noticed it says that one function of The Matrix.org Foundation is "Owns the copyright of the reference implementations of Matrix (i.e. everything in https://github.com/matrix-org). By assigning copyright to the Foundation, it’s protected against New Vector ever being tempted to relicense it." That protection apparently wasn't very effective, but also notably, New Vector and their leadership clearly have shown to not stand behind the goals of the Foundation. As the leadership of New Vector is also part of the leadership of the Foundation, I see some huge potential for COI here.
- Possible to set a message retention period?
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Matrix 2.0: The Future of Matrix
The main remaining Nebuchadnezzar issue is mitigating server-controlled group membership. The first step has been to kill off the 1st gen E2EE implementations, which were responsible for the implementation vulns found by RHUL - and we should hopefully conclude that next week by moving everything into the matrix-rust-sdk crypto create implmentation: https://github.com/vector-im/element-web/issues/21972#issuec... is the tracker.
Then, we can address the harder server-controlled group membership issue in one place. First step will be to improve device verification & trust so that trust is the default, not the exception, to make it easier to spot and warn about unexpected devices in the room. The full solution is then either MSC3917 (https://github.com/matrix-org/matrix-spec-proposals/blob/fay...) - or potentially to switch everything to MLS.
We're working on MLS anyway in parallel to RHUL mitigation work; you can see the progress at https://arewemlsyet.com, and it's looking good.
I'm guessing you're not interested in doing a podcast on "yay we converged our crypto implementations on a single robust Rust implementation so we can fix the remaining bugs in one place", but as soon as the server-controlled group membership thing is solved we'll be in touch. Work has also gone much slower than hoped on this, thanks to the joys of funding open source.
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Conduit: Simple, fast and reliable chat server powered by matrix
https://github.com/matrix-org/matrix-spec-proposals/blob/keg... is how we’re doing it, and it’s being implemented currently in Dendrite.
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Databag – tiny self-hosted federated messenger for the decentralized web
Matrix already has key-based identity in the works at https://github.com/matrix-org/matrix-spec-proposals/blob/keg... (and implemented in Dendrite at https://github.com/matrix-org/dendrite/pulls?q=is%3Apr+is%3A...). Matrix is set up to let folks go wild and change fundamentals like this; basically every Matrix Spec Change (MSC) is a small fork, which then gets merged into the main spec if it can be proven to work well in the wild.
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Discord Is Not Documentation
Gitter seems to have moved to being a Matrix instance (or maybe it always has? it didn't look like Matrix when I used it circa 2016), but matrix feels half-baked and is just a bunch of hacks put together. For example
- Can't "mark all as read" on a space. probably because rooms within a space are only tangentially related,
- No custom emojis or sticker packs (their proposal for this is to create rooms to house custom emojis/sticker packs[0])
Not a great bet to go to keybase with the Zoom acquisition https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28814210
0: https://github.com/matrix-org/matrix-spec-proposals/pull/195...
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The problem with federated web apps
We’re currently working on account portability (https://github.com/matrix-org/matrix-spec-proposals/pull/401...) and experimenting with glueing bluesky style DIDs onto it (so as to provide DMs for bluesky via Matrix, should they want them)
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2FA on matrix.org
slow moving but there is discussions https://github.com/matrix-org/matrix-spec-proposals/pull/1998
cinny
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A few discord alternatives for you to look at
Revolt, Guilded, Element (Matrix Client), Matrix, Cinny (Matrix Client), Spacebar, Rocket Chat, Mikoto, Mattermost, Teamspeak and Nertivia
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Dislike Discord changes? Support Open Source
Check out these two clients: https://app.element.io https://cinny.in
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India bans Element – the flagship client for the Matrix network
or Cinny, given its country of origin... (https://cinny.in)
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Any good Discord alternatives that aren't owned or funded by companies like Tencent?
building on what the original comment said with the matrix mention, cinny.in is another option that is built with it if you wanna check it out! pretty similar layout to discord, already has encryption unlike revolt too
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Discord alternatives?
Specifically Cinny since it mimics the look and feel of Discord
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Element as a Discord Alternative
Keep in mind Matrix is a protocol for messaging just like email is a protocol for mail. There's more than one client and Element just so happens to be the most popular one. A really good runner-up would be FluffyChat. Then there's Cinny
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Have any of you used a decentralized messenger before?
Matrix, is a decentralised messaging protocol. While it isn't a messenger in itself, it has various messaging clients such as Element, Cinny etc
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Name a program that doesn't get enough love!
Cinny, a matrix client that looks and behaves like discord
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Discord-esk encrypted platform?
Cinny is potentially the best best Matrix client that resembles Discord
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all-in-one chat service
Other clients are available on the same network, like https://cinny.in/ or https://element.io
What are some alternatives?
whatsapp - A Matrix-WhatsApp puppeting bridge
Element - A glossy Matrix collaboration client for the web.
matrix-synapse-shared-secret-auth - Shared Secret Authenticator password provider module for Matrix Synapse
matrix.to - A simple stateless privacy-protecting URL redirecting service for Matrix
matrix-room-element
fosscord - 📬 Spacebar is a free open source selfhostable discord compatible communication platform [Moved to: https://github.com/spacebarchat/spacebarchat]
element-call - Group calls powered by Matrix
matrix-docker-ansible-deploy - 🐳 Matrix (An open network for secure, decentralized communication) server setup using Ansible and Docker
nnnoiseless - Recurrent neural network for audio noise reduction
ocaml-matrix - Implementation of a matrix server in OCaml for MirageOS
matrix-js-sdk - Matrix Client-Server SDK for JavaScript
matrix-bifrost - General purpose bridging with a variety of backends including libpurple and xmpp.js