array VS julia

In some of the example programs written in KAP (my APL derivative), I tried to write it in a style that makes people unfamiliar with the array style more comfortable.

This code could of course have been written in a style similar to some of the more extreme examples, and they would have been significantly shorter in that case.

https://github.com/lokedhs/array/blob/master/demo/advent-of-...

This issue isn't directly related to BitSet. I have observed the same thing in my programming language interpreter that runs on the JVM (well, it's written in Kotlin multiplatform so it runs on JS and Natively as well).

I start the interpreter and measue the time it takes to all all then numbers below 1000000000.

The first time I run it after starting the interpreter it always takes 1.4 seconds (within 0.1 second precision). The second time I measure the time it takes 1.7, and for every invocation following that it takes 2 seconds.

If I stop the interpreter and try again, I get exactly the same result.

I have not been able to explain this behaviour. This is on OpenJDK 11 by the way.

If anyone wants to test this, just run the interpreter from here: https://github.com/lokedhs/array

To run the benchmark, type the following command in the UI:

    time:measureTime { +/⍳1000000000 }

I'm the opportunity to mention my project that implements a language that is inspired by, and is mostly compatible with APL. It has some major differences, such as being lazy evaluated and providing support for first-class functions.

It also supports defining syntax extensions which is used by the standard library to provide imperative syntax, which means you can mix traditional APL together with your familiar if/else statements, etc.

At this point there isn't much documentation, and the implementation isn't complete, so I'm not actually suggesting that people run out to try it unless they are really interested in APL. I just took this opportunity since APL is mentioned so rarely here.

https://github.com/lokedhs/array

There is an example of a graphical mandelbrot implementation in the demo directory, that may be interesting.

This post mirrors my feeling on this topic as well. Just like the author, I'm also working on a programming language which will not be used by a lot of people.

In fact, having a lot of users would make things complicated as I would have to stop making incompatible changes if I want to try something new.

Designing your own programming language is such a nice hobby, and something I believe a lot of programmers do. In fact, I would like to see links to other people's programming languages, just to see what people are playing around with at the moment.

Here is my project: https://github.com/lokedhs/array

34. Julia - $74,963

I don't believe there is any official documentation on this, but https://github.com/JuliaLang/julia/pull/49430 for example added prefetching to the marking phase of a GC which saw speedups on x86, but not on M1.

3. dispatch on all the arguments

the first solution is clean, but people really like dispatch.

the second makes calling functions in the function call syntax weird, because the first argument is privileged semantically but not syntactically.

the third makes calling functions in the method call syntax weird because the first argument is privileged syntactically but not semantically.

the closest things to this i can think of off the top of my head in remotely popular programming languages are: nim, lisp dialects, and julia.

nim navigates the dispatch conundrum by providing different ways to define free functions for different dispatch-ness. the tutorial gives a good overview: https://nim-lang.org/docs/tut2.html

lisps of course lack UFCS.

see here for a discussion on the lack of UFCS in julia: https://github.com/JuliaLang/julia/issues/31779

so to sum up the answer to the original question: because it's only obvious how to make it nice and tidy like you're wanting if you sacrifice function dispatch, which is ubiquitous for good reason!

https://github.com/JuliaLang/julia/blob/release-1.10/NEWS.md

Visit official site: https://julialang.org/

No. It runs natively on ARM.

julia> versioninfo() Julia Version 1.9.3 Commit bed2cd540a1 (2023-08-24 14:43 UTC) Build Info: Official https://julialang.org/ release

https://github.com/JuliaLang/julia/issues/51086#issuecomment...

So while this "fixes" the issue, it'll introduce a confusing time delay between you freeing the memory and you observing that in `htop`.

But according to https://jemalloc.net/jemalloc.3.html you can set `opt.muzzy_decay_ms = 0` to remove the delay.

Still, the musl author has some reservations against making `jemalloc` the default:

https://www.openwall.com/lists/musl/2018/04/23/2

> It's got serious bloat problems, problems with undermining ASLR, and is optimized pretty much only for being as fast as possible without caring how much memory you use.

With the above-mentioned tunables, this should be mitigated to some extent, but the general "theme" (focusing on e.g. performance vs memory usage) will likely still mean "it's a tradeoff" or "it's no tradeoff, but only if you set tunables to what you need".

I have asked about Julia's reproducibility story on the Guix mailing list in the past, and at the time Simon Tournier didn't think it was promising. I seem to recall Julia itself didnt have a reproducible build. All I know now is that github issue is still not closed.

https://github.com/JuliaLang/julia/issues/34753

I don't really know what kind of rebuttal you're looking for, but I will link my HN comments from when this was first posted for some thoughts: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31396861#31398796. As I said, in the linked post, I'm quite skeptical of the business of trying to assess relative buginess of programming in different systems, because that has strong dependencies on what you consider core vs packages and what exactly you're trying to do.

However, bugs in general suck and we've been thinking a fair bit about what additional tooling the language could provide to help people avoid the classes of bugs that Yuri encountered in the post.

The biggest class of problems in the blog post, is that it's pretty clear that `@inbounds` (and I will extend this to `@assume_effects`, even though that wasn't around when Yuri wrote his post) is problematic, because it's too hard to write. My proposal for what to do instead is at https://github.com/JuliaLang/julia/pull/50641.

Another common theme is that while Julia is great at composition, it's not clear what's expected to work and what isn't, because the interfaces are informal and not checked. This is a hard design problem, because it's quite close to the reasons why Julia works well. My current thoughts on that are here: https://github.com/Keno/InterfaceSpecs.jl but there's other proposals also.

Doesn't musl have the same issue? https://github.com/JuliaLang/julia/issues/34726#issuecomment...

I also wonder about OSX's libc. Newer versions seem to have some sort of locking https://github.com/apple-open-source-mirror/Libc/blob/master...

but older versions (from 10.9) don't have any lockign: https://github.com/apple-oss-distributions/Libc/blob/Libc-99...